1. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    I was surprised by some of the things that happened here, to be honest. You have a great democracy, no doubt, but I was appalled to see that you don't have automatic voting registration and the GOP can literally block minorities to vote and get away with it.
    Do you also feel you shouldn't be required to show photo ID to vote?
  2. I'm just saying that it should be easier. I don't know about photo IDs, as I don't know how your system works. I know there has been at most 35 credible cases of voter impersonation in about 120, 000, 000 ballots. The real voting fraud is to not let entire groups of people to vote. Or worse: as some Trump fans want to go out there and scare minorities to vote.
    People bring 2 or 3 documents to register to vote and still are denied. I read that this year several voting places at universities and black or latino neighborhoods were retired, so the only people affected are millennials, blacks and latinos, which we know vote democrat.
    Even the Trump camp openly said that their strategy is about voting intimidation, so that's not good.
  3. I agree. Voter intimidation is never good. But it happens every election, it seems. I've seen it on both sides, although it occurs more on one. But I also feel th photo ID is a very reasonable requirement. Most States require a drivers license or sate issued photo ID card if you want to cash a check, sign any legal documents, etc... so I'm not real sold on the whole "some people can't obtain a photo ID thing...

    This whole election has been despicable and reprehensible and when Hillary wins by a landslide, the Dems will go silent on the issue and the entire issue will remain unsolved and uncorrected until the next election cycle. This always seems to be a heated issue at election time, and then the winner drops it and the losing candidate draws it out for a few months after... then they get back to business (well, what they call business, anyway of keeping us all divided by party. Us vs. Us. That's what keeps them gainfully employed. Hypocrisy loves it's left hand just as much as it loves it's right.
  4. Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]
    Based on opinions you could argue there is no deserving party depending on where you stand. But in terms of which parties have actual complete platforms, the two major parties are the only ones with complete platforms. Take the Green Party as an example. This party has very strong environmental stances, but pretty much has nothing to say about foreign policy.


    Green party has a foreign policy of peace and non-interventionism. But some people think it's America's place to bomb middle easterners, occupy foreign nations without a formal declaration of war, and get people rich doing it so they reject the notion. It can't be done they say
    The Hillary paid trolls and DNC run media have done their best to suppress and spread lies about Jill Stein and the Green party. Bombs will continue to fall on people in the ME with a Hillary administration, but anyone that won't support her is too "privileged". Because, you know, not wanting your country torn apart by a warmonger with a tract record for creating chaos is a complaint that only people that won't be affected by the election make.
  5. No one said any lies about Jill Stein. She herself has pander to anti-vaxxers and all that pseudo-science crap. Coming from a doctor, that is really low for her.
    If that doesn't disqualify her (imagine a biologist not believing in evolution), her lack of any coherent foreign policy positions is incredible. One day she is against Brexit, the other day she favors it. Her VP choice called Bernie Sanders a "white supremacist" (wtf?) and actually praised Bashar Al-Assad tyranny in Syria.
    So excuse me for not caring about a pro-fascist hippie like Stein.
  6. I prefer Trump.

    There, I said it. Whew.
  7. A lot of people do.

    Not ideal candidates really, out of 300+ million people and there's these two.

    I'd take Hillary over Trump any day though. I think Bernie was too left wing for America.
  8. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:No one said any lies about Jill Stein. She herself has pander to anti-vaxxers and all that pseudo-science crap. Coming from a doctor, that is really low for her.
    If that doesn't disqualify her (imagine a biologist not believing in evolution), her lack of any coherent foreign policy positions is incredible. One day she is against Brexit, the other day she favors it. Her VP choice called Bernie Sanders a "white supremacist" (wtf?) and actually praised Bashar Al-Assad tyranny in Syria.
    So excuse me for not caring about a pro-fascist hippie like Stein.
    Passionate reply, I can dig it. Interesting that you'd label her pro-fascist though. How do you feel about Gary Johnson re:fascism or even Hillary Clinton? Who would be a shining example of someone who is undeniably *not* fascist?
  9. Gary Johnson is a clueless man. He has no business being there if he doesn't even know what or where Aleppo is.
    I take back the "pro-fascist" adjective then. I still think Stein is an opportunist with no clear and defined policies whatsoever, other than impractical wishy-washy well intentions.
  10. Originally posted by Welsh_Edge:A lot of people do.

    Not ideal candidates really, out of 300+ million people and there's these two.

    I'd take Hillary over Trump any day though. I think Bernie was too left wing for America.
    The options have been quite sad, and I have to agree with your standpoint on Sanders.
  11. I agree with you on Gary Johnson, in a way his unpreparedness makes him the most disappointing candidate considering the alternatives are so unpopular. I'd still like to know what makes a fascist or if I should just disregard it every time I read it considering you took it back. Clinton to me is a proven bad option, I feel like I'd be better off taking a chance with some well intentioned but undefined polices that may or may not work over what will be a 100% guarantee of continued war (if Obama didn't withdraw, Hillary certainly won't. Bill Clinton had a good number of illegal bombings and some sanctions that killed half a million kids in his day.)
  12. To me the only fascist candidate is Trump. As the leader of the free world, you have to take decisions that will affect many people and are not always going to be the best decisions from a moral point of view. Obama's drone program for example will be criticized for years to come.
    But there is only one candidate that continuously tries to criminalize the press, threatens to jail his opponent once he wins, undermines the very foundations of democracy by not accepting the results if he looses, incites violence against anyone that opposes him, tries to sue every newspaper that writes an article against him, says that "he alone can fix things", invites a foreign nation to hack the elections, etc. etc. etc.
    Trump is the only fascist candidate. You may think Hillary changes her viewpoints according to her audience (almost any politician does that) and that she's hawkish, but that in no way compares to an egomaniac, clueless, bigot, unprepared, sexual harasser that is Trump.