Get Out Of Your Own Way

Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
When you have to report on the JT17 tour setlists and they are all the same in consecutive nights, what else are you supposed to say? Setlist were the more static since Popmart. Now that is just stating a simple fact. It's not being negative. We have said here many times that we were not criticizing the shows for the people that attended. Now you can say "I don't care about the setlist as long as it's a good show", which is great, but people also wanted to know if the setlist changed in a given show. I can't say "Yeah man, they played Acrobat yesterday!".

Originally posted by NoelMc:[..]
Not only talking about the songs on SoE. The JT17 set list, Bono's voice, etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this is simply mine! The level of bickering in some of the posts recently didn't happen 7-8 years ago (or maybe I didn't notice!).

Originally posted by dieder:To get back on this song: certainly growing on me. I just found out its 4 minutes long but it certainly feels like it's a minute shorter..I really like the lyrics and the melody. Remind me of both BD and WITS.

Originally posted by dieder:To get back on this song: certainly growing on me. I just found out its 4 minutes long but it certainly feels like it's a minute shorter..I really like the lyrics and the melody. Remind me of both BD and WITS.

Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:Also, I definitely remember NLOTH being just as controversial around here as these new songs are. Not just around here, but the entire U2 fanbase elsewhere too. I remember a lot of people hated Boots, a lot of people hated other songs, thought the cover art was stupid (because the guy who's picture they used also had another picture that DIDN'T have a line on the horizon lol), thought Linear had a better running order and song choice, thought Bono's voice was awful, lyrics were awful, etc. And many others LOVED it

I think the band have been spoiling us pretty much since the release of Invisible, and I remember that being controversial as well. Songs of Innocence was pretty much widely celebrated at first, but over time you started seeing the two sides of the fence take shape.

Point is, I think the only reason people feel like they're seeing more negativity lately is because there's been so much to criticize over just the past few years, and I don't necessarily mean U2's been doing bad things, I just mean in the sense that we've gotten:

Invisible
Ordinary Love
Songs of Innocence
I&E Tour
Live in Paris
Kygo's Best Thing performance
Red Hill Mining Town single
JT Tour
Little Things
Best Thing
Blackout
etc. etc.

all in the span of just three years. Shit, the band weren't even that active in the mid-late 80s as far as a relentless release and tour schedule, or just having their fanbase hear new stuff.

And we all know that a band's back catalogue is their worst enemy. We've all grown to have emotional attachments to their previous work, and anything new that comes out has an uphill battle from the get-go to compare to that, and because U2's previous work is so great there's almost 0% chance of pleasing everyone. I've been saying this for the past little while, if U2 wants to please a bunch of their fans, they're going to piss off others, and that's just the way it's going to be. They haven't had a sweet spot in forever, maybe not since The Joshua Tree, but even then, I've seen fans on the internet say they hate everything after War. I've seen comments like "Unforgettable Fire is when Brian Eno perverted Edge's great guitar sound and U2 went to shit from there."

This is nothing new. It's just because we're getting SO MUCH (and we should be thankful for it as others have said) lately. Complaining about the complainers isn't doing anything either. Want a tip? Stop visiting the website, or at least the threads where you know you won't like what you're reading. I tend to stop reading setlist party threads just after a tour starts because it's always "ah they're just playing this again booooo" - which is understandable, but it's not really what I want to read - especially if I have a show coming up.

So to those who love the new stuff, good on you, and realize that while many of us might be more critical of what's coming out at the moment, there'll always be a part of us that envies you for being able to enjoy it at its fullest. Chances are in a couple years there'll be a bunch of us who've come around anyway. I know I'm already started to come around on this song already.

Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:Also, I definitely remember NLOTH being just as controversial around here as these new songs are. Not just around here, but the entire U2 fanbase elsewhere too. I remember a lot of people hated Boots, a lot of people hated other songs, thought the cover art was stupid (because the guy who's picture they used also had another picture that DIDN'T have a line on the horizon lol), thought Linear had a better running order and song choice, thought Bono's voice was awful, lyrics were awful, etc. And many others LOVED it

I think the band have been spoiling us pretty much since the release of Invisible, and I remember that being controversial as well. Songs of Innocence was pretty much widely celebrated at first, but over time you started seeing the two sides of the fence take shape.

Point is, I think the only reason people feel like they're seeing more negativity lately is because there's been so much to criticize over just the past few years, and I don't necessarily mean U2's been doing bad things, I just mean in the sense that we've gotten:

Invisible
Ordinary Love
Songs of Innocence
I&E Tour
Live in Paris
Kygo's Best Thing performance
Red Hill Mining Town single
JT Tour
Little Things
Best Thing
Blackout
etc. etc.

all in the span of just three years. Shit, the band weren't even that active in the mid-late 80s as far as a relentless release and tour schedule, or just having their fanbase hear new stuff.

And we all know that a band's back catalogue is their worst enemy. We've all grown to have emotional attachments to their previous work, and anything new that comes out has an uphill battle from the get-go to compare to that, and because U2's previous work is so great there's almost 0% chance of pleasing everyone. I've been saying this for the past little while, if U2 wants to please a bunch of their fans, they're going to piss off others, and that's just the way it's going to be. They haven't had a sweet spot in forever, maybe not since The Joshua Tree, but even then, I've seen fans on the internet say they hate everything after War. I've seen comments like "Unforgettable Fire is when Brian Eno perverted Edge's great guitar sound and U2 went to shit from there."

This is nothing new. It's just because we're getting SO MUCH (and we should be thankful for it as others have said) lately. Complaining about the complainers isn't doing anything either. Want a tip? Stop visiting the website, or at least the threads where you know you won't like what you're reading. I tend to stop reading setlist party threads just after a tour starts because it's always "ah they're just playing this again booooo" - which is understandable, but it's not really what I want to read - especially if I have a show coming up.

So to those who love the new stuff, good on you, and realize that while many of us might be more critical of what's coming out at the moment, there'll always be a part of us that envies you for being able to enjoy it at its fullest. Chances are in a couple years there'll be a bunch of us who've come around anyway. I know I'm already started to come around on this song already.

Originally posted by Alvin:[..]
There is one important difference: With Achtung Baby the were pushing boundaries, tried to find new sounds and didn't care of charts... They were creating the trends in 90's, not following it...
This song (GOOYOW) is just poppy attempt to get to the charts... that's my opinion
But I like the other new songs... just not this one...

Originally posted by Bloodraven:Something's been bugging me about this song since yesterday... the "I can sing it to you all night all night" keeps reminding me of another song but I can't remember which song it is (not U2). It's a "tip of my tongue" situation... it annoys me that every time I'm about to figuring it out it just vanishes and it's really annoying.

Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:Also, I definitely remember NLOTH being just as controversial around here as these new songs are. Not just around here, but the entire U2 fanbase elsewhere too. I remember a lot of people hated Boots, a lot of people hated other songs, thought the cover art was stupid (because the guy who's picture they used also had another picture that DIDN'T have a line on the horizon lol), thought Linear had a better running order and song choice, thought Bono's voice was awful, lyrics were awful, etc. And many others LOVED it

I think the band have been spoiling us pretty much since the release of Invisible, and I remember that being controversial as well. Songs of Innocence was pretty much widely celebrated at first, but over time you started seeing the two sides of the fence take shape.

Point is, I think the only reason people feel like they're seeing more negativity lately is because there's been so much to criticize over just the past few years, and I don't necessarily mean U2's been doing bad things, I just mean in the sense that we've gotten:

Invisible
Ordinary Love
Songs of Innocence
I&E Tour
Live in Paris
Kygo's Best Thing performance
Red Hill Mining Town single
JT Tour
Little Things
Best Thing
Blackout
etc. etc.

all in the span of just three years. Shit, the band weren't even that active in the mid-late 80s as far as a relentless release and tour schedule, or just having their fanbase hear new stuff.

And we all know that a band's back catalogue is their worst enemy. We've all grown to have emotional attachments to their previous work, and anything new that comes out has an uphill battle from the get-go to compare to that, and because U2's previous work is so great there's almost 0% chance of pleasing everyone. I've been saying this for the past little while, if U2 wants to please a bunch of their fans, they're going to piss off others, and that's just the way it's going to be. They haven't had a sweet spot in forever, maybe not since The Joshua Tree, but even then, I've seen fans on the internet say they hate everything after War. I've seen comments like "Unforgettable Fire is when Brian Eno perverted Edge's great guitar sound and U2 went to shit from there."

This is nothing new. It's just because we're getting SO MUCH (and we should be thankful for it as others have said) lately. Complaining about the complainers isn't doing anything either. Want a tip? Stop visiting the website, or at least the threads where you know you won't like what you're reading. I tend to stop reading setlist party threads just after a tour starts because it's always "ah they're just playing this again booooo" - which is understandable, but it's not really what I want to read - especially if I have a show coming up.

So to those who love the new stuff, good on you, and realize that while many of us might be more critical of what's coming out at the moment, there'll always be a part of us that envies you for being able to enjoy it at its fullest. Chances are in a couple years there'll be a bunch of us who've come around anyway. I know I'm already started to come around on this song already.