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  1. in movie style I like film noir
    but a concert must be more luminous! otherwise it will make us sleep!
  2. Out of Blue 3sat dropped Muse Drones World Tour shown 1,5year ago in Theaters but unreleased... go to Musebootlegs for More... its also pretty Dark And many shots come from Berlin MB arena
  3. Seems Australia will have to wait for the official release.


  4. The concert WAS really quite dark, way less lit than the first two Berlin dates. I remember thinking that during the concert plus it is obvious from the photos and videos I took that night compared to those from Berlin 1 and 2. The absence of fog surely being part of the difference. Plus the 360 DVD for instance is much darker than how I remember the 360 shows (I didn't attend that particular show, so I don't know whether the show was also less lit, or whether it is just the film).
  5. Originally posted by Happy24:[..]


    The concert WAS really quite dark, way less lit than the first two Berlin dates. I remember thinking that during the concert plus it is obvious from the photos and videos I took that night compared to those from Berlin 1 and 2. The absence of fog surely being part of the difference. Plus the 360 DVD for instance is much darker than how I remember the 360 shows (I didn't attend that particular show, so I don't know whether the show was also less lit, or whether it is just the film).
    It was filmed with film lights, have seen that before. When they shoot a concert film the lights are often changed for film settings which makes it quite dark.
  6. Maybe it's just darker because less people were doing smartphone filming. The director didn't reckon it, and once the concert started they could not set up more filming lights
  7. Originally posted by Chrisssie:Maybe it's just darker because less people were doing smartphone filming. The director didn't reckon it, and once the concert started they could not set up more filming lights
    they shoot with ultra light sensitive cameras! no smartphone light needed to fill the light gap.
    I think the first part of the concert will have better lighting!
  8. let's keep it that way: maybe it is a little bit darker when they film, but they obviously darken it a lot more in post production for whatever reasons. I mean - my multicam still turned out pretty good in terms of light, so the difference wasn't THAT huge.

    But since Rose Bowl was the only official gig I ever watched more of (the cut once shown on 3sat new years night back in the day) - I'm again done with their releases. I tried for Paris 2015 but got sick after 3mins from the editing - nobody really can stand that. Watched a bit more of the raw HBO streams, that were quite nice honestly, but they weren't butchered by cuts, post production and mostly not by overedited audio.

    I don't care for their official releases mostly because I don't care for shows I didn't attend. Now there's Berlin and I still won't watch it, because they edit and postproduce everything to death - far off from any authenticity and reality. And that's actually really sad!

    Maybe they should try and give the pro shot material of a concert to several of us multicam editors and see, what we might turn it into.

    Still, the weirdest to me is, that there's NO idea of a release date yet. Paris released after 6 months, Berlin is already 14 months ago and half a show - is no "release", really.
    TJT 17 is more than 3 years ago already. They really rely on the fact, "our fans buy anything we release, no matter when we do it or how bad we do it", right?
  9. Originally posted by sparko:let's keep it that way: maybe it is a little bit darker when they film, but they obviously darken it a lot more in post production for whatever reasons. I mean - my multicam still turned out pretty good in terms of light, so the difference wasn't THAT huge.

    But since Rose Bowl was the only official gig I ever watched more of (the cut once shown on 3sat new years night back in the day) - I'm again done with their releases. I tried for Paris 2015 but got sick after 3mins from the editing - nobody really can stand that. Watched a bit more of the raw HBO streams, that were quite nice honestly, but they weren't butchered by cuts, post production and mostly not by overedited audio.

    I don't care for their official releases mostly because I don't care for shows I didn't attend. Now there's Berlin and I still won't watch it, because they edit and postproduce everything to death - far off from any authenticity and reality. And that's actually really sad!

    Maybe they should try and give the pro shot material of a concert to several of us multicam editors and see, what we might turn it into.

    Still, the weirdest to me is, that there's NO idea of a release date yet. Paris released after 6 months, Berlin is already 14 months ago and half a show - is no "release", really.
    TJT 17 is more than 3 years ago already. They really rely on the fact, "our fans buy anything we release, no matter when we do it or how bad we do it", right?
    Is the timeline really screwed up though?

    They’re saving these releases for a year when the band will be inactive and not on the road.

    You’re a multi cam editor and you think this competes with your work? Lol
  10. Its still odd that JT '17 ended over 2 years ago and a full show release hasn't happened on dvd or even cd. So many great shows, in Europe especially. Italy ?

    The first 11 months of 2019 the band weren't exactly active. No new material . Nothing. As a matter of fact, Experience ended Nov of '18 ,with the aforementioned Berlin gig. The band then decided to restart JT, November of 2019 . Exactly a year between shows. Just all a bit odd IMO not release anything from the 2 previous tours during that down time.

    Actually , the band should indeed have a "vault" type of release each year , or a couple of shows a year as Bruce does on cd or download (mp3 or Flac)

    Dave Matthews Band release 4 shows a year called Live Trax , spanning their entire 25 year career . They just released LT 50 last month with a gig from 2004.

    Imagine if U2 did this ? How about something (anything) from winter 1984, a couple months later Yankee Stadium 1992 (we have nothing from 1992) . Then maybe something more current like Amsterdam 09.13.15 , which is IMO the best show of 2015.

    This would be fantastic IMHO .
  11. Originally posted by EDDMB:Its still odd that JT '17 ended over 2 years ago and a full show release hasn't happened on dvd or even cd. So many great shows, in Europe especially. Italy ?

    The first 11 months of 2019 the band weren't exactly active. No new material . Nothing. As a matter of fact, Experience ended Nov of '18 ,with the aforementioned Berlin gig. The band then decided to restart JT, November of 2019 . Exactly a year between shows. Just all a bit odd IMO not release anything from the 2 previous tours during that down time.

    Actually , the band should indeed have a "vault" type of release each year , or a couple of shows a year as Bruce does on cd or download (mp3 or Flac)

    Dave Matthews Band release 4 shows a year called Live Trax , spanning their entire 25 year career . They just released LT 50 last month with a gig from 2004.

    Imagine if U2 did this ? How about something (anything) from winter 1984, a couple months later Yankee Stadium 1992 (we have nothing from 1992) . Then maybe something more current like Amsterdam 09.13.15 , which is IMO the best show of 2015.

    This would be fantastic IMHO .
    Agree with most of this however with TJT tour kicking off again they weren't gonna release it before the tour started particularly in uncharted territory where they didn't know how ticket sales would be ,I'd imagine the JT film will be part of some limited cinema release and then onto DVD maybe they might do a Bruce and link up with Netflix to give it maximum exposure and do some sort of promo alongside it.
  12. Originally posted by popmarter:[..]
    Agree with most of this however with TJT tour kicking off again they weren't gonna release it before the tour started particularly in uncharted territory where they didn't know how ticket sales would be ,I'd imagine the JT film will be part of some limited cinema release and then onto DVD maybe they might do a Bruce and link up with Netflix to give it maximum exposure and do some sort of promo alongside it.
    Fair enough , but that is indeed assuming that after the Joshua Tree tour ended (in the fall of 2017) , that the band were planing that far ahead ( 2 full years ) to re-start the JT tour at the end of 2019 . Whole thing is very odd to me . They were releasing an already delayed LP in the fall of 2017 , and getting ready to start a massive tour in the spring of 2018 . But, who knows.

    Still , they could have easily released Berlin in the Spring of 2019 , as they did with Paris in 2016,only 6 months after the show was performed .

    Bottom line is, sometime in the near future , Berlin is finally being released .
    Im very much looking forward to it.
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