Originally posted by melon51:Everyone here (especially if you're worried and in your country it isn't that bad yet):
If you're not scared of getting it: Try from now on to act like you have Corona when going outside. Your carefulness will save someone's grandparents..
Originally posted by Happy24:[..]
There are all kinds of different numbers. I usually read, mostly that the common flu has a death rate 0,1% and the coronavirus around 3,5%.
But when I take the data and do the maths, I get very different results.
There is this useful site with actual data from all countries:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
There we can see, that there is a very high death rate in Italy - 47.000 positive cases, 4.000 deaths - 8,5%
Then there is quite a high death rate in Spain (5,3%) and France (3,5%) and some other countries.
And then there are a lot of European countries, where the numbers are dramatically lower. For instance - Germany 0,35%, Austria 0,28%, Norway 0,34%, Sweden 1,1%, Czech Republic 0%, Switzerland 0,93%, Finland 0,19%... There are quite a lot of cases in all those countries already, so we can't say that we don't have enough of data.
The thought, that those countries migh have better health care system doesn't really work, (I think) as I explained before.
Very strange is the high rate in Italy of course, but in that article I posted before they say that even in the case of common flu "Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly."
Again - according to that article 25.000 people died because of flu in Italy just in the season 2016-17
If I look at the numbers above, into the death rate are calculated all people who had the coronavirus when they died. But it is known that vast majority of them had other serious health problems. Is it proven that it was really the coronavirus that killed them and nothing else? They had the coronavirus when they died... but did it necessarily kill all of them?
I don't want to make any conclusions, but I think it is something to think about.
Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
I appreciate and applaud you and anyone’s efforts to encourage social distancing but at this point unfortunately you’re wasting your time. People know what they’ve been told and those that are choosing to refuse will continue to make that choice until the law forces it. It’s a stubbornness that is very evident here in the UK. Some people don’t care, they literally don’t and won’t ever care. It’s something we need to accept I’m afraid, I honestly hope the government put in stricter measures here because it’s what’s needed.
Originally posted by melon51:[..]
How would I waste my time if my post kept even just 1 person out of the pub yesterday?
Uk had a liberal approach just like Holland, albeit a bit later. We'll see how the numbers develop. South of holland is prettty much in emergency right now, with IC-patients being driven to other hospitals in the night.
And they expect it to explode next week. If we're not changing our behaviour now, we'll need the military and "triage" to decide who gets to live, just like Italy..
So this doesn't have anything to do with politics/government but with common sense. The more people wake up tomorrow and do the #washhandskeepdistance Jive, the better we'll all be off...
while the people who are working at the office, are working from home , still hoping for a lockdown Originally posted by splinter67:here in the netherlands they sent out een tekst message to all dutch people with a cellphone : request to stay inside and keep distance, but all people working out side have to go to work even if it is in the biggest infected area in the country