1. Weird comparisson. Internet Explorer ignored the market for 6 years.

    Also they will still be behind the rest. Although the hardware accelerated rendering is pretty cool, the Firefox nightlies already copied that.

    Problem is the slow release cycle. They should've released a version each half year for all Windows systems (including XP). Now only a part can get IE9, a lot of people are still on XP.
  2. Originally posted by Risto:Weird comparisson. Internet Explorer ignored the market for 6 years.

    Also they will still be behind the rest. Although the hardware accelerated rendering is pretty cool, the Firefox nightlies already copied that.

    Problem is the slow release cycle. They should've released a version each half year for all Windows systems (including XP). Now only a part can get IE9, a lot of people are still on XP.


    It's like Microsoft saying that Linux and Mac are their biggest competition. Wrong - IE6 and XP are their competition, and while Vista and 7 and IE7 and IE8 are good enough for next-gen usage, they made something so universally accepted by just those who aren't exactly up with what's happening in the tech world and a very reliable OS, that people just won't leave it alone - they have to use it. When people here want to use my computer they ask where the big blue E is. That's the internet to people. I know my dad wouldn't change from 98 for about ten years and when he went to XP he loved it.

    When you ask them what OS they're on...what's an OS? I think they're more worried for the half-release per year is people are gonna get sick of being forced to upgrade every so often; but they upgrade their word processor, their iTunes and whatever else they use, so it's gonna be effectively backfiring on MS and the rest of us who want to see new technologies, but the noobs hold it back for us so we can't see the latest from big companies because they have to support legacy customers. Even though Vista and 7 are coming pre-installed on newer systems, customers are still asking for XP - maybe not 2000 but businesses might do - because that's what they know, that's what they've been bought up on for the last ten years and just try giving them Linux - that's not Windows, I don't have my solitaire game or Notepad available. You do, but you have to use your brain, not a start menu to find it. Too hard.

    What I'm saying is if the users of XP haven't updated from IE6 in about ten years, chances are they're not gonna rush out for IE9. And accelerated hardware rendering...we know what it means, but how many of them would know what it means - and unless it stopped Facebook or MySpace or YouTube from working or doing what they do, then there's gonna be complaints - so yet again it's Microsoft, those users and the average end-user stopping it from going ahead with bigger future sights. Web developers, to support those hostage to IE6 have to code their sites to keep them working with IE6 rather than lose support, technically and virtually, totally.

    The quicker bigger sites like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, Google, Gmail, eBay, PayPal - I could go on - lose support for IE6 and older browsers the better.
  3. They could automatically update by Windows Update. Dozens of updates get installed without the user really knowing what happens

    I am not complaining about MS though, W7 and Office 2007 are splendid. Only XP and IE6 were on for way too long. But even XP and IE6 were inovating then. First browser with AJAX support.

    Cant wait till IE9 gets out, but its a shame they dont push IE6/IE7/IE8 users too upgrade.
  4. Originally posted by Risto:They could automatically update by Windows Update. Dozens of updates get installed without the user really knowing what happens

    I am not complaining about MS though, W7 and Office 2007 are splendid. Only XP and IE6 were on for way too long. But even XP and IE6 were inovating then. First browser with AJAX support.

    Cant wait till IE9 gets out, but its a shame they dont push IE6/IE7/IE8 users too upgrade.


    But you know what'll happen when they get automatic updates - ''Someone hacked into my computer (or CPU) and gave me a thing called Internet Explorer - I use E!''

    IE9 I'll be going straight to and who knows, maybe I'll use it over Firefox and from what I've seen of Office 2007 I quite like it as with Windows 7 at the moment.
  5. I love W7, its perfect.
  6. I run Windows, but I browse on Google Chrome. Love everything about it.
  7. I know what Drew means... People here looks you strange when I open my beloved Firefox and tell me "What are you doing? You told me you were going to browse the internet"... And most of the people hasn't changed from XP to Vista, and of course to W7... It's just that Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6 have been the leading products for the general public for soooo long...

    I have Linux and Windows in my personal computer and I haven't updated from Windows XP since I have it (2004 I think)....... and, unless they come up with something that I consider better (Vista wasn't, and Windows 7 won't be - from what I've seen), I will stay with it. Windows XP is almost good!!!! (a great acomplishment, if you consider it's a Microsoft product!!)
  8. Originally posted by LikeASong:I know what Drew means... People here looks you strange when I open my beloved Firefox and tell me "What are you doing? You told me you were going to browse the internet"... And most of the people hasn't changed from XP to Vista, and of course to W7... It's just that Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6 have been the leading products for the general public for soooo long...

    I have Linux and Windows in my personal computer and I haven't updated from Windows XP since I have it (2004 I think)....... and, unless they come up with something that I consider better (Vista wasn't, and Windows 7 won't be - from what I've seen), I will stay with it. Windows XP is almost good!!!! (a great acomplishment, if you consider it's a Microsoft product!!)


    Microsoft has the balls, the brains and the ability to do things right, when they want to. Any company does but it depends on how they do it - anyone who's used iTunes and Nero from an early version right up to the later (bloated) ones will relate to that. You can come up with something awesome in theory, but if in practice it doesn't work as well as in theory, essentially you're fucked.

    Windows 7 is an example of good ideas and so is the new Windows Mobile from what we've all seen there. Internet Explorer 6 would have also been a good product had it not been released alongside such (at the time) an insecure operating system (XP) and not bolted so hard down into the OS - it might have been accepted a bit more by more technical people, not just those who don't know what a CPU or motherboard do.

    Yeah, Sergio, about Firefox - I'm getting that same reaction from many people. ''You don't have the big blue E? I thought you had the internet....I do!!!'', yet when they try Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Konqueror, Safari (although I'd avoid it if you can on Windows) they think ''Wow...my internet is way faster and my web doesn't crash!!!'' Just annoying that people are literally forced onto IE, XP, Office and all those - I know better alternatives but people hate change. I hate change, but if I try it and it works better then I'm all for the change.
  9. I don't know a better alternative for Windows Office, honestly.
    Open Office is heavier and slower (at least it's proved to be that in my computer... everytime I've tried it!!)... the only obvious positive point is that it's free.
  10. Originally posted by LikeASong:I don't know a better alternative for Windows Office, honestly.
    Open Office is heavier and slower (at least it's proved to be that in my computer... everytime I've tried it!!)... the only obvious positive point is that it's free.


    OpenOffice is an excellent alternative - a little bloated but it more than works. I think that's preferrably what I'd install - I mean, I can download Office for free just like anyone but I'd prefer OpenOffice because it works for me and I just can't get used to that new interface.

    I've tried but it's just too hard - and it's been on numerous ocassions in various moods; W7 was easy to work with but Office 07 is just too weird like IE7 / IE8. It (OpenOffice) does work nicely on Linux - that's if anyone actually wants to run it. I'd love to change all my computers to it but just people won't take the time or bother learning.
  11. A bit of a laugh here - I put W7 Home Premium on my laptop earlier tonight and already found a bug. I only have 288GB free on my hard drive of 320GB - for the OS and partitions and whatever. Just like that 4000000 days or whatever it was someone had in Vista.






    And yet, it only took 30 seconds to delete. WTF???