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  1. Originally posted by clover68:poor and slow defenders in juventus and bayern too? for saying a couple
    or in every team he met in 47 matches scoring 51 times? (not cosidering Portugal)

    and everywere is talking about Messi ´s poor year...he was injury... with a new manager and ending the best years of the club s history and taking care about the WC ....with all this he only scored 41 goals in 44 matches ...bad year without doubt
  2. Originally posted by patou2:[..]

    What i think is not about ( only ) the CL final... i saw many important games that CR7 didn t played well ....

    I think he is one of the best in history. He is awesome ...his big problem was being contemporary with the best of history ( Messi) but no doubt that he is great . I expect a lot more from him on importat games and my conclusion after seing many importants matches where he played and he didn t play very well ...just this ... i love the way he plays and i always want him in my team without doubt

    Messi the best of all time? Really? Above Pele, Cruijff, Maradona etc?
  3. Above Pele and Maradona no doubt. Above Cruyff and Zidane... Don't think so, but it's a close call.
  4. Nahh Messi only proved himself at Barca, it would be interesting to see how he will play in England or Italy for example. And at Barca everything was/is build around him.
    Until now his peformances at the national team also weren't that good.

    I'm not a fan of Ronaldo at all, but at least he had proven himself at United too. Don't get me wrong, Messi is a great player but I wouldn't call him the best of all time, probably not even in the top 3.

    And for me (and probaly most of us here) it's hard to judge who is the best of all time since I haven't seen Pele, Cruijff, Maradona, Best, Beckenbauer etc etc etc. If you ask me the best players who I have seen play live (On television ofcourse ) I would say Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo (Brazilian), Zlatan, Messi and Ronaldo.
  5. You have a point on the teams building around one player, but Cristiano has had that as well both in Manchester and Madrid, and still he hasn't amazed the whole world as much as Messi has (I think). Their team's philosophy and behaviour can also have something to do. Real Madrid is the most prepotent and self indulgent team in the world with more extravagant and expensive transfers each year, while Barça is respectful and builds its team mostly from home-brewed players.

    But I've always said it: the best players aren't the ones that score the most goals or anything. The best players are the most complete ones. So that rules out both of them, and probably gives the title to Zidane or Cruyff.
  6. Zidane is not even the best all time player of France

  7. Platini? He's a prick

    And Sergio, the likeability of a player shouldn't count (but none is totally objective)


  9. hehehe

    King Eric was/is really insane, in all the meanings, i really loved him .. watching him playing you could expect everything .. he was able to do everything .. in every sense .. ..fantastic!

    ahead of Zidane yes but Le Roi Platini is the best from France, although he's a prick and i agree Bart


  10. hahaha only Maradona or Pele could fight for that tittle ..sorry Sergio
  11. Originally posted by bartajax:Nahh Messi only proved himself at Barca, it would be interesting to see how he will play in England or Italy for example. And at Barca everything was/is build around him.
    Until now his peformances at the national team also weren't that good.

    I'm not a fan of Ronaldo at all, but at least he had proven himself at United too. Don't get me wrong, Messi is a great player but I wouldn't call him the best of all time, probably not even in the top 3.

    And for me (and probaly most of us here) it's hard to judge who is the best of all time since I haven't seen Pele, Cruijff, Maradona, Best, Beckenbauer etc etc etc. If you ask me the best players who I have seen play live (On television ofcourse ) I would say Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo (Brazilian), Zlatan, Messi and Ronaldo.


    How many players have the same chance like Messi and didn t achieved what Messi did.

    It is a long discussion but there are some that can t get in on the discssuin ... sorry Zlatan , Ronaldinho ... I love the way they play/ played but is another level

    Ronaldo , Cristiano and Zidane are from this last era and everything they did Messi surpasses them. Except Ronaldo ´s goals in the WC

    Maradona , Pele and Messi are at the same step . I think Messi did a lot more than this guys excepting a WC ( he won a sub 20 WC) . This is his outstanding debt ...but if we talk about titles in a team or personal awards and goals ...Messi is far from Maradona and Pele
    Anyway is almost impossilbe compare players from differents eras... even Di stefano is very valued for old people ( except Ronnie )
  12. Originally posted by clover68:[image]

    hehehe

    King Eric was/is really insane, in all the meanings, i really loved him .. watching him playing you could expect everything .. he was able to do everything .. in every sense .. ..fantastic!

    ahead of Zidane yes but Le Roi Platini is the best from France, although he's a prick and i agree Bart

    maybe the weakest part of Eric was on his national team

    I like him very much but there were a lot of excellent players like him

    Platini and Zidane were better and the balance gives Zidane advantage because he a won WC
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