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  1. It's an odd list. Is Ozzie Osbourne really a better frontman than Bono? Is Marilyn Manson? I agree he doesn't top Freddie or Mick Jagger, but it seems a bit weird for him to be so far down the list.
  3. Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson and Elvis? Rock and fucking roll, Spinner. Gene Simmons??? Nah.

    Gene Simmons in the RRHoF and not Alice Cooper is a joke though. What the fuck has Gene Simmons done for RnR? Apart from copying others and running a KISS coverband, nothing. Steven Tyler should be on that list for everything up to Pump and skipping the MTV ballad-shit, putting Joe Perry in his place for the next 20 years onwards.

    And anyone that knows me, Axl Rose should actually be in Mick Jagger's place and Jagger in his place instead.
  4. Its just a list. I dont care if Bono is on it or not, would be better if he's not though. There are not enough ways to keep the size of Bono's ego under control
  5. The list isn't too bad since it's more about attitude than talent.

    If there was a list of greatest singer-songwriters though, Bono would have to be first.
    There is absolutely no one else who comes close to matching Bono's talents in both disciplines.

    He should probably go down as the greatest singer of the age too, I think he's even better than Mercury (while no-one will argue that Mercury is the better singer technically), he is much more versatile, and is a master of tone, nuance and delivery.

    It's very similar to Edge vs other guitarists, loads of guitarists can run rings around Edge technically but few have his compositional genius.
  6. Originally posted by vanquish:The list isn't too bad since it's more about attitude than talent.

    If there was a list of greatest singer-songwriters though, Bono would have to be first.
    There is absolutely no one else who shows greater talents in both disciplines than Bono.


    So you're telling me Axl Rose, who tells people at concerts to fuck off and calls former bandmates cancers, has a better / lesser than Elvis? And Alice Cooper, an attitude? There's a reason he's called heavy metal's (although is it heavy metal or just hard rock?) most beloved and friendly entertainer. Or am I just confused?

    The list kind of isn't what I'd be thinking but all to their own.
  7. Originally posted by Risto:Its just a list. I dont care if Bono is on it or not, would be better if he's not though. There are not enough ways to keep the size of Bono's ego under control


    his ego might be his strongest point AND his weakest
  8. Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]

    So you're telling me Axl Rose, who tells people at concerts to fuck off and calls former bandmates cancers, has a lesser attitude than Elvis?

    And Alice Cooper, an attitude? There's a reason he's called heavy metal's (although is it heavy metal or just hard rock?) most beloved and friendly entertainer.


    Attitude and popular appeal, influence etc.

    No critic or music mag will ever put Bono or U2 at the top of any list due to the fact that they are probably the most reviled band around.
  9. Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

    Attitude and popular appeal, influence etc.

    No critic or music mag will ever put Bono or U2 at the top of any list due to the fact that they are probably the most reviled band around.


    Well, in that case Elvis doesn't deserve first place, Axl shouldn't be on the list, Steven Tyler should be even further down the list (see the albums Toys In The Attic and Rocks as to why) and Robert Plant should be down a few places, if not at least ten spots down. Marilyn Manson should also be off that list.

    Why are they so reviled though? I've never worked it out. Is it because of Bono, purely?
  10. Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]

    Well, in that case Elvis doesn't deserve first place, Axl shouldn't be on the list, Steven Tyler should be even further down the list (see the albums Toys In The Attic and Rocks as to why) and Robert Plant should be down a few places, if not at least ten spots down. Marilyn Manson should also be off that list.

    Why are they so reviled though? I've never worked it out. Is it because of Bono, purely?


    Yes, Robert Plant definitely should be much higher. I mean the guy founded heavy metal
    I think Elvis is first purely because he was the first to elicit that kind of reaction from his audience.

    I think they are hated primarily due to a mixture of tall poppy syndrome, general ignorance and the modern musical climate.

    To your average testosterone fuelled rock fans U2 are like Coldplay; 'softies' who shouldn't even call themselves rock bands.

    Indeed they're disliked more than Coldplay et al because Bono is a loudmouth and of course they're much older than pretty much every group still relevant today and so it's automatically daggy for most people to admit liking them.

    Also unlike younger groups like Snow Patrol, Coldplay, the Killers etc.U2 aren't 'sensitive new age guys' and don't have the sex appeal or hearthrob status to capture the same kind of young female audiences that are key to these bands fanbases.

    The only people who are fans of older bands are the rock faithful and U2 is very much the antithesis of their favourite bands - Led Zepp, the Stones/Who, Pink Floyd, Queen and the rest of the punk rock, hard rock, classic rock and metal spectrum.
    The closest band to U2 are probably the Beatles (a few critics have called U2 their successors) and being the gods of modern music few people will say they hate them, 'cos you know everyone likes the Beatles, they invented music man!'.

    The other thing is that U2 have always been an ambitious band, that dared to dream.
    Like the whole Rattle & Hum backlash echoes much of the traditional rock fans attitude towards them - "how dare these young upstarts put themselves in the same league as B.B King and Bob Dylan, my grandmother can play better guitar than that Edge dude"

    Being Irish in a genre dominated by American and Britsh acts doesn't help either.
  11. Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

    Yes, Robert Plant definitely should be much higher. I mean the guy founded heavy metal

    I think they are hated primarily due to a mixture of tall poppy syndrome and general ignorance.
    To most rock fans U2 are like Coldplay 'softies' who shouldn't even call themselves rock bands. Indeed they're disliked more than Coldplay et al because they're much older and so automatically daggy for most people. ( the only people who like older bands are the rock faithful and U2 is very much the antithesis of their favourite bands)

    Also unlike younger groups like Snow Patrol, Coldplay, the Killers etc.U2 don't have the sex appeal to capture the same kind of young female audiences that are key to these bands fanbases.



    agree, for most of it. about the female part you could be wrong i think.

    i dont like that list at all.

    bono should be at 1 closely folowed by Freddie Mercury.
    i like bono at one because imo he has got everything a frontman should have, attitude, ego, stage performance, great connection with fans, great music, great voice, endlessly efforts for side projects, charisma....and so on.

    not just the sex drugs and rock and roll... and paint your face and be at number 6 for example.


    just my opinion
  12. Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

    Yes, Robert Plant definitely should be much higher. I mean the guy founded heavy metal

    I think they are hated primarily due to a mixture of tall poppy syndrome and general ignorance.
    To most rock fans U2 are like Coldplay 'softies' who shouldn't even call themselves rock bands. Indeed they're disliked more than Coldplay et al because they're much older and so automatically daggy for most people. ( the only people who like older bands are the rock faithful and U2 is very much the antithesis of their favourite bands)

    Also unlike younger groups like Snow Patrol, Coldplay, the Killers etc.U2 don't have the sex appeal to capture the same kind of young female audiences that are key to these bands fanbases.



    Let's not forget Ozzy, the Yardbirds, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath...they all did their bit for hard rock and heavy metal. The Killers, Snow Patrol and Coldplay (and on the later stuff, U2) are all classified as pop-rock. The same as Bon Jovi, Poison and all those now-terrible bands.

    Of heavy metal, it makes you wonder when some big-name band or singer will put out something killer, not short pop-rock shit.

    I think a lot of younger listeners might associate U2 now with such songs as Beautiful Day and Elevation and now Boots - not the coolest way to launch your new album but it had the same effect as Discotheque. They say they'll be back when they hear songs as great as Beautiful Day...which I only say isn't as good because the stuff before is so hard to top. The whole 90s output is too good for any band.

    Can you really get a feel for U2 from those records and songs? I'd say go right back before Boy to see what they were about. A lot of people probably skipped Zooropa and Pop too, so they should check those out first before they go on about U2 being too soft or going soft.



    agree, for most of it. about the female part you could be wrong i think.

    i dont like that list at all.

    bono should be at 1 closely folowed by Freddie Mercury.
    i like bono at one because imo he has got everything a frontman should have, attitude, ego, stage performance, great connection with fans, great music, great voice, endlessly efforts for side projects, charisma....and so on.

    not just the sex drugs and rock and roll... and paint your face and be at number 6 for example.


    just my opinion


    They have to do that because the reaction to the 'unmasking' was unbelievable. Die-hard fans of that particular band - not the new 'cover-band' making horrible albums like Sonic Boom - would not buy their records until they covered up again. Even if you are an ugly fucker making music, why should it stop you from buying the albums. If the music becomes shit and you don't like it, then yeah you have a reason to.

    By the time KISS had put on the makeup again, well...it became ridiculous. A bit like Aerosmith making crappy ballads and forgetting where they came from originally. They had one of the best debut albums in history (at the time) and followed up with some other great albums, but fell into the MTV trap of making shit and losing their original fans in the process.

    Sex and drugs and rock and roll has been a drawcard to heavy metal and rock music for a long time now, but now it's become overdone.
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