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anstratdubh1979

Originally posted by thechicken:[..]

There is more than one matched grip. That's why I said, german over american or french. The german is so stronger than the others, and in my experience I have yet to find something that I cannot do with the german grip better than with the more usual american grip.
And by the way, I have never learnt any rudiments. Watch, listen, mimic and learn. That's how I do it.

German grip is palms down. "French timpani' grip is thumbs up.

German suits my drumming more, as when palms are down, one can get a good deal of speed from fingers vs. wrists.

Try this link for rudiments. (below)

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudimentlearningsequence.html

Lots to learn and all will help you play better. Take your time and start slow and build up speed. Speed, isn't the goal. Concepts and getting the various sticking patterns is first and foremost. It will grow your drumming vocabulary and then you will be able to set the muscle memory and play anything you hear in your head or on record - easier.

anstratdubh1979

15 years

Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:[..]

Thanks for the corrections man I thought I remember reading he's used the TS-9 since the War days and stuff? Guess not.

Just thought that additional information would help. Particularly in the case of the DM4 as he's used that more than you'd mentioned. And with each of them would help show the eras the items were used.

As for the TS-9, I don't ever remember seeing it in Edge's tour gear until the Elevation tour.

AllBeacauseOfZoo

15 years

Hi Guys,

I have been thinking about getting a guitar for ages and finally think I will be able to get round to it. Obviously Im a huge U2 fan and will mainly be playing their songs.....I am quite musically minded and play other instruments so I am just going to try and teach myself.

What I was wondering if anyone could recommend a starter kit (eg guitar, amp, some pedals etc) that I could buy initially which would enable me to play a lot of U2 songs......

I know it will take me ages to play these songs but songs which I want to be able to someday play are:

The Fly (!!!)
UTEOTW
Magnificent
Unknown Caller
All I want Is You
Vertigo
Beautiful Day.........the list goes on....

....you get what I mean...

Any ideas would be immensely appreciated....(I am prepared to spend a decent amount).

MattG

15 years

Originally posted by AllBeacauseOfZoo:Hi Guys,

I have been thinking about getting a guitar for ages and finally think I will be able to get round to it. Obviously Im a huge U2 fan and will mainly be playing their songs.....I am quite musically minded and play other instruments so I am just going to try and teach myself.

What I was wondering if anyone could recommend a starter kit (eg guitar, amp, some pedals etc) that I could buy initially which would enable me to play a lot of U2 songs......

I know it will take me ages to play these songs but songs which I want to be able to someday play are:

The Fly (!!!)
UTEOTW
Magnificent
Unknown Caller
All I want Is You
Vertigo
Beautiful Day.........the list goes on....

....you get what I mean...

Any ideas would be immensely appreciated....(I am prepared to spend a decent amount).

Search this thread for mention of the M13 effects pedal...seems to be immensely popular in getting some U2 sounds down right.

Also, if you're dead-set on getting The Edge's sound, you're going to want either the Digitech DigiDelay or Memory Man delay effects.

AllBeacauseOfZoo

15 years

Originally posted by EyesWithPrideB3:[..]

Search this thread for mention of the M13 effects pedal...seems to be immensely popular in getting some U2 sounds down right.

Also, if you're dead-set on getting The Edge's sound, you're going to want either the Digitech DigiDelay or Memory Man delay effects.

Great thanks....

Any ideas on a first guitar??

MattG

15 years

Originally posted by AllBeacauseOfZoo:[..]

Great thanks....

Any ideas on a first guitar??

The obvious choice would be an Epiphone Explorer (or a Gibson, if you're talking some serious money)...but Edge also plays Les Paul models and Fender Strats (which sound great clean) most commonly.

He's been using what looks like a hollow-body on "Breathe" and "No Line" live this year, and someone else on the thread would probably be able to help you out with what thats called. I play a PRS (Paul Reed Smith) SE, which looks remotely like a Les Paul. It has fantastic action and sound, and through my multi-effect pedal, Edge's sounds are usually close to achievable. It's all a matter of personal preference. The PRS cost me about $500

LikeASong

15 years

If you want a basic guitar, get yourself an Epiphone Les Paul, there are packs of guitar + ampli + accesories for less than 300 US $... That's something good to start with

anstratdubh1979

15 years

Originally posted by AllBeacauseOfZoo:[..]

Great thanks....

Any ideas on a first guitar??

I strongly disagree with the Epiphone Les Paul Packs or Fender Squier packs. It make be $300.00 but the gear is far from quality and in the end, there is a strong chance you will see it as a waste of money.

Epiphone Explorer is a fine guitar and are priced around $499.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Korina-1958-Explorer-Electric-Guitar?sku=518234

And the stock pickups aren't horrible either. Although you could get more of an Edge tone but upgrading the pickups, later when money permits, to T-Tops.

Vox Pathfinder comes in at $119.00
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-Pathfinder-15R-Guitar-Amp-with-Reverb?sku=481948

So for $620.00, you will get a good guitar and good practice amp. Items you will be able to play and not fight how poorly they are made or sound. And they are items that once you upgrade to other things later, you will still want to and be able to use these. (Example, I still use my Pathfinder to run stereo effects, live (as amps are usually mid'd live) while using my AC15CC as my main amp (sometimes a Vox AC30).

There are also a number of Fender Stratocasters between $499.00 - $699.00 that are well-made. I recommend staying away from the Squiers BUT the made in Mexico stuff - not so bad. Plus you can get a $499.00 Strat that will sound nice - that you can upgrade the pickups later and that $499.00 + $200.00 in upgrades (depending on the pickups) will likely sound as good as a $1200.00 to $1800.00+ Stratocaster.

In the end, I guess you have to reconcile between your budget, your own ears and what guitars feel good to you. But I do think you will regret any of the Epiphone LP package deals or Fender Squier pacakge deals in the end. Better to hold out a month or so and get something that is decent and that will serve you well than to buy now and feel ripped off later.

EFFECTS-WISE... you can get a number of Edge-worthy tones from the:

Line 6 M13 (better deal than the M9 for only 100.00 more at $499.00 - although you can find them for $399-ish on e-bay)
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-M13-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Pedal?sku=482675

or for a bit cheaper (but some less features)

Line 6 M9 $399.00
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-Pathfinder-15R-Guitar-Amp-with-Reverb?sku=481948

anstratdubh1979

15 years

What model Stratocaster is the one pictured?

Looks similar to a Clapton, with the Lace Sensor pickups. Or perhaps an older Stratocaster Plus?

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WojBhoy

15 years

Originally posted by AllBeacauseOfZoo:Great thanks....

Any ideas on a first guitar??

My idea would simply be to head to your nearest guitar store and try out a few guitars, maybe with a bit of help from a staff member or something. You wanna find a guitar that you feel comfortable playing primarily - my first guitar, which I still have, was a Ridgewood Strat. copy which I tried out when I was first starting out. I couldn't play guitar, but I still got a feel for it being comfortable and suited, so that would be my advice. I still use it now and still rate it.

That and it was all I could afford =P but yeah, there's my take

Originally posted by EyesWithPrideB3:The obvious choice would be an Epiphone Explorer (or a Gibson, if you're talking some serious money)...but Edge also plays Les Paul models and Fender Strats (which sound great clean) most commonly.

He's been using what looks like a hollow-body on "Breathe" and "No Line" live this year, and someone else on the thread would probably be able to help you out with what thats called. I play a PRS (Paul Reed Smith) SE, which looks remotely like a Les Paul. It has fantastic action and sound, and through my multi-effect pedal, Edge's sounds are usually close to achievable. It's all a matter of personal preference. The PRS cost me about $500

I wouldn't say the Explorer is an obvious choice, but as guitars go it's one of the best I've played. That said, I've not played every guitar in existence, but it suits me to a tee - everything about the look, the feel, the sound, the versatility (which might not be apparent to everyone); of the three electrics I have, it's far and away the best. The Les Paul is a fun guitar to play, but there are things about it which knark me, primarily the fact the tuners are shite and it goes out of tune very easily - bend any string a slight amount and you then have to spend the next 3 minutes retuning (thankyou Epiphone's Chinese-based factories...).

Re. Breathe and NLOTH, he's using one of his arsenal of Epiphone Casinos. My housemate has one and it just doesn't have that zing for me - the P90s plus its limited sustain don't suit my style, but it's a decent guitar for what it's worth. I just prefer my Explorer

One of my best friends has a PRS SE too, and I would also say that's a damned good piece of kit for what it's worth, but again it doesn't quite do it for me - having said that, it's not mine so I'm not gonna worry!

Originally posted by anstratdubh1979:...between your budget, your own ears and what guitars feel good to you...

Amen brutha

vanquish

15 years

I love my new Explorer, it just looks so unique compared to all my friends who have strat-copy type guitars. I noticed it only has 22 frets though, are the Epiphones shorter scale than their Gibson equivalents?

Though it is based on the 58 Explorers not the 76 reissues Edge uses.

anstratdubh1979

15 years

Originally posted by vanquish:I love my new Explorer, it just looks so unique compared to all my friends who have strat-copy type guitars. I noticed it only has 22 frets though, are the Epiphones shorter scale than their Gibson equivalents?

Though it is based on the 58 Explorers not the 76 reissues Edge uses.

The 1976 'Limited Edition' Gibson Explorers that The Edge (and I !)

use were based on the original 1958 explorer design.

I don't think there is much difference, other than the pickups in the 1976 being the T-Tops versus the 1958 which probably had the PAF Humbucker.

The only difference in the Epiphone Explorer design and Edge's 1976's are that the Epiphone guitar body is Korina vs. the Edge's being mahogany body. That said, I've not heard anyone complain about an Epiphone Explorer. A friend has one, which she had T-Tops put in, and it sounds great!

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