U2start.com | New beach clips (July 25th 2008)

Originally posted by KaiserJose:[..]

No. If you read previous posts on this topic one of the counter-arguments put to me was that these beach clips were not to be considered as an album leak as they were of poor quality. Simply; I was told they are not "leaks"

My point is that is the band do consider it a leak, as stated in the recent interview with Q magazine.

Frankly I didn't see much point in the debate as trivial as that but I still count it as worthwhile to stand up for myself in such a situation.

Sorry, I thought by leak you meant a deliberate, staged leak by the band.

But I agree it is a significant leak, unlike all the people who haven't listened to the clips and insist they mean nothing. the Q article proved them wrong.

With regards to Mark's comment about them being "a very weak leak of an unfinished album".
What do you mean by very weak? They can't open a can of soda?

And while the album was definitely unfinished at the time, certain sessions were finished.
That is the Fez sessions, and so all the songs from the Fez sessions would probably be quite close to the album versions. And songs like Unknown Caller and Breathe, which we have Beach Clips from are confirmed to be from the Fez sessions (Q as source).

MWSAH

16 years

Well..it's an old discussion and it's been discussed before, but when you're on that beach with your girlfriend and you hear U2-ish music blaring out of some stereo over the beach, it's a simple and logical step to record it. And what are you going to do with that recording? Keep it for yourself? No, you share...anyone would do that, I think.

Bono knew there were people on the beach when he played the songs. So the chances of a leak were there and he knew it.

vanquish

16 years

Originally posted by MWSAH:Well..it's an old discussion and it's been discussed before, but when you're on that beach with your girlfriend and you hear U2-ish music blaring out of some stereo over the beach, it's a simple and logical step to record it. And what are you going to do with that recording? Keep it for yourself? No, you share...anyone would do that, I think.

Bono knew there were people on the beach when he played the songs. So the chances of a leak were there and he knew it.

I don't think anyone is criticizing the actions of Ben, he did the logical and completely ethical thing.
You don't hear people complaining about whoever leaked Mercy.

markp91

16 years

Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

With regards to Mark's comment about them being "a very weak leak of an unfinished album".
What do you mean by very weak? They can't open a can of soda?

Well, you could try open a can with them but I'm pretty sure it'll take a long time before it works lol

No, I meant that the recordings were very weak and I'm pretty sure there's no-one who decides not to buy the album because he heard a very weak recording of a maybe not even finished song. This is not a leak that makes people wanna buy the album or not. And therefore I think it's okay to share it.

vanquish

16 years

Originally posted by markp91:[..]

Well, you could try open a can with them but I'm pretty sure it'll take a long time before it works lol

No, I meant that the recordings were very weak and I'm pretty sure there's no-one who decides not to buy the album because he heard a very weak recording of a maybe not even finished song. This is not a leak that makes people wanna buy the album or not. And therefore I think it's okay to share it.

I don't think anyone who takes the time to download mobile phone recordings of songs heard at a beach, is going to say "this sounds crap, i'm not buying the new U2 album".

The general public aren't diehard enough to take the time to listen to the clips, which leaves the fans, who as we all know will buy every different version of the album and all the singles, even if it is complete crap.

You just have to look at the Berlin Studio Outtakes thread and see that there are people who will download 3 cds of drum loops, to know this.

KaiserJose

16 years

Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

I don't think anyone who takes the time to download mobile phone recordings of songs heard at a beach, is going to say "this sounds crap, i'm not buying the new U2 album".

The general public aren't diehard enough to take the time to listen to the clips, which leaves the fans, who as we all know will buy every different version of the album and all the singles, even if it is complete crap.

You just have to look at the Berlin Studio Outtakes thread and see that there are people who will download 3 cds of drum loops, to know this.

I don't put the problem down to a financial issue for, as you've said, the clips are poor quality and people will buy the album anyway.

Put it down to a matter of morality or respect then. The group we all love are in the process of giving us another album, we know it's coming (eventually) but I think it's a slap in the face to the band to put these leaks on the net. They should be allowed to finish their work without the interference of people like this Ben trying to make a name for himself.

Yes maybe Bono played the music too loud (although you're taking Ben's word for this) so enjoy it for yourself then. I know nobody is forced to listen to it online but I still think secretly recording their material and releasing it without their consent is very bad form.

Would the band have wanted this? Definitely not. I don't think it would be a financial thing either. They're loaded and they know it. But they're artists and understandably don't want their work released/peaked at by some randomer until it's finished. Painters are notorious for not showing their work off until it's finished and musicians are much the same.

And frankly too much of your praise of this Ben has been based on what he has described in the situation. Does no one else think it more than a bit coincidental that a U2 'fanatic' who's also in a tribute band happens to show up randomly around the time Bono is playing music in the south of France?? Particularly when Bono says he played the music in his house in which I'm fairly sure he doesn't have a tiny garden. Not buying it for one second and I don't mean the album.

yeah

16 years

Originally posted by KaiserJose:[..]

I don't put the problem down to a financial issue for, as you've said, the clips are poor quality and people will buy the album anyway.

Put it down to a matter of morality or respect then. The group we all love are in the process of giving us another album, we know it's coming (eventually) but I think it's a slap in the face to the band to put these leaks on the net. They should be allowed to finish their work without the interference of people like this Ben trying to make a name for himself.

Yes maybe Bono played the music too loud (although you're taking Ben's word for this) so enjoy it for yourself then. I know nobody is forced to listen to it online but I still think secretly recording their material and releasing it without their consent is very bad form.

Would the band have wanted this? Definitely not. I don't think it would be a financial thing either. They're loaded and they know it. But they're artists and understandably don't want their work released/peaked at by some randomer until it's finished. Painters are notorious for not showing their work off until it's finished and musicians are much the same.

And frankly too much of your praise of this Ben has been based on what he has described in the situation. Does no one else think it more than a bit coincidental that a U2 'fanatic' who's also in a tribute band happens to show up randomly around the time Bono is playing music in the south of France?? Particularly when Bono says he played the music in his house in which I'm fairly sure he doesn't have a tiny garden. Not buying it for one second and I don't mean the album.

Honestly, if you don't want anyone to hear the unfinished work, don't play it to your postman (Bono did), don't play it to you hair artist (Bono did), don't play it to journalists (Bono did), don't play it to other artists (Bono did).
And most important: Don't play it at HIGH volume on your terrace when it borders on a PUBLIC beach and clips of your music have been recorded and shared there TWICE before.

As for your conspiracy theory: There are people around Bono's Eze house every day during summer, so the coincidence is not as big as you might think.

Xayide29

16 years

I thought the 4 ones I found on youtube had better quality than these
Perhaps they been edited or somethin, not sure I even listed to the downloaded ones properly

KaiserJose

16 years

Originally posted by yeah:[..]

Honestly, if you don't want anyone to hear the unfinished work, don't play it to your postman (Bono did), don't play it to you hair artist (Bono did), don't play it to journalists (Bono did), don't play it to other artists (Bono did).
And most important: Don't play it at HIGH volume on your terrace when it borders on a PUBLIC beach and clips of your music have been recorded and shared there TWICE before.

As for your conspiracy theory: There are people around Bono's Eze house every day during summer, so the coincidence is not as big as you might think.

I'm sorry but getting a couple of people to judge an artists music is neither uncommon or releasing music to the public. It's a form of marketing essentially, getting a casual music fans opinion. I doubt the postman, hair stylist or journalists released work to the public.

Essentially I'm saying that the band should be able to do what they want with their music before it's released and your unusual counter-argument is to say that in order for them not to have their music released against their consent they shouldn't play it to selected people? Poor.

Yes, I'm obviously aware that people go to public beaches, particularly in the south of France. But my point is that this Dutch fanatic just happened to be outside of Bono's house at the right moment. Me thinks the odds are more than a little against this. It sounds stalkerish.

yeah

16 years

Originally posted by KaiserJose:[..]

Essentially I'm saying that the band should be able to do what they want with their music before it's released and your unusual counter-argument is to say that in order for them not to have their music released against their consent they shouldn't play it to selected people? Poor.

Yes, I'm obviously aware that people go to public beaches, particularly in the south of France. But my point is that this Dutch fanatic just happened to be outside of Bono's house at the right moment. Me thinks the odds are more than a little against this. It sounds stalkerish.

No, I don't say they shouldn't play it to selected people - I'm saying that, if they want to keep their work secret, they shouldn't blast it over a public beach. As I stated before, this is not the first time that recordings of work in progress were made there. If Bono really has a problem with that, he wouldn't have done it again.
Also, this wasn't the first time that new U2 stuff was blasted over the Eze beach that summer, there were at least two other occasions where "tourists" had the chance to listen. Doesn't sound like he's notorious about keeping the new music top secret...

Ben (your "Dutch fanatic") explained the circumstances of his Eze visit in this very topic, and I have no reason to not believe him. Certainly I would have better things to do with my time than visiting Bono's house during my holidays - but to each their own.

WojBhoy

16 years