1. all my reasons are valid and YOU KNOW IT


  2. I do? Let's see:


    Upson scored, he brought England back in the game...
    Originally posted by u2spear:

    Green shouldn't have played against USA, should have been Hart, then we would be playing Ghana then Uruguay - Cappello's fault

    Can't see what's valid here: pure speculation. Maybe Hart would have made other errors, also you assume, that England would easily beat Ghana before the game is even played...


    Sorry, that's complete bollocks. What's wrong with a player being allowed to kick the ball as far as he wants?
    If there's someone to blame here, it's Terry.




    England had the same time. Besides, I can't see, how the ball was crucial today.


    That's definitely a valid point. Probably everyone but the linesman saw that ball in.




    Defoe was in the starting squad - not very impressive. Heskey was good in the USA game, though.

    So, I'm afraid, I DON'T KNOW how these should be valid reasons.

    I expected a lot from the english team this World Cup, though. What they showed underwhelmed me.
  3. Originally posted by u2spear:I'll tell you what's wrong:
    Upson should not play - Cappello's fault

    Green shouldn't have played against USA, should have been Hart, then we would be playing Ghana then Uruguay - Cappello's fault

    No keeper should be able to kick the ball that far, one goal to another - FIFA's fault
    Germany had 6 months to get used to that ball - FIFA's fault


    Lampard's goal should have counted - Reff AND Linesmen's fault

    Heskey should not be in the squad let alone the team instead of Defoe or Crouch - Cappello's fault


    That is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard.
  4. Agree, other teams were sent prototypes/demos of the balls as well. But some teams, like Holland, had sponsorship deals which prevented them from using them earlier.

    On the other hand i dont understand why a new ball must be developed each 2 years.
  5. Originally posted by yeah:[..]

    I do? Let's see:

    [..]
    Upson scored, he brought England back in the game...
    [..]
    Can't see what's valid here: pure speculation. Maybe Hart would have made other errors, also you assume, that England would easily beat Ghana before the game is even played...

    [..]
    Sorry, that's complete bollocks. What's wrong with a player being allowed to kick the ball as far as he wants?
    If there's someone to blame here, it's Terry.


    [..]

    England had the same time. Besides, I can't see, how the ball was crucial today.

    [..]
    That's definitely a valid point. Probably everyone but the linesman saw that ball in.


    [..]

    Defoe was in the starting squad - not very impressive. Heskey was good in the USA game, though.

    So, I'm afraid, I DON'T KNOW how these should be valid reasons.

    I expected a lot from the english team this World Cup, though. What they showed underwhelmed me.


    Upson was terrible even if he scored, was his fault for the goals.

    We would have beat Ghana.

    Obviously the player is allowed but he should be able to, the ball should be heavier.

    And they have been using the world cup ball in Germany for 6 month = advantage to them

    HESKEY IS SHOCKING (FULL STOP) - I bet the Germans were laughing when he ran on.

    Im afraid these ARE valid reasons.


    And Scottish people should be supporting their local team.

    Also do I detect a hint of jelousy from Irish and Scottish fans????
  6. Throw a rock into the air. You're bound to hit someone guilty

    All those reasons aside, the players are the most to blame. And Germany was just better.
  7. Originally posted by u2spear:[..]

    Upson was terrible even if he scored, was his fault for the goals.

    We would have beat Ghana.

    Obviously the player is allowed but he should be able to, the ball should be heavier.

    And they have been using the world cup ball in Germany for 6 month = advantage to them

    HESKEY IS SHOCKING (FULL STOP) - I bet the Germans were laughing when he ran on.

    Im afraid these ARE valid reasons.


    And Scottish people should be supporting their local team.

    Also do I detect a hint of jelousy from Irish and Scottish fans????


    Damn man, you really need to calm down.

    I'm not jealous. I don't really care because I know the Scottish football team are shit. England think their football team is amazing. Scottish people don't have to support England. I don't support England because I hate their team - it's full of arrogant and cocky players who don't know much.

    How do you know you would beat Ghana?

    Stop using excuses, you're just making it worse for yourself. You lost today because you're defence was crap. Don't use any ball excuses as well because what's the point? You're just using every excuse from the book.

  8. Originally posted by u2spear:[..]

    Upson was terrible even if he scored, was his fault for the goals.

    We would have beat Ghana.

    Obviously the player is allowed but he should be able to, the ball should be heavier.

    And they have been using the world cup ball in Germany for 6 month = advantage to them

    HESKEY IS SHOCKING (FULL STOP) - I bet the Germans were laughing when he ran on.



    Upson's fault on all goals? Interesting, but not true.

    England wouldn't have beaten Ghana.

    The ball should be heavier? Maybe Neuer should have less force, That argument is ridiculous.

    The ball was used in a few stadiums in Germany, right. England had the same time to get used to it, too.

    Of course Heskey was bad, as was the whole team.
  9. Im Irish. There isnt one thing I envy about Englands world cup run.
  10. Usually I don't defend England when it comes down to simply poor play and poor decisions but in regards to the ball; we missed out on the chance to practise with the Jabulani ball ahead of the World Cup because a consignment of 25 sent to the FA went missing. But the rest was just poor play and poor decisions from our manager. I keep saying it but it's true; everything that happened was all inevitable.
  11. I'll put England's problem on a plate. It's not really the players, it's not really the managers and it certainly isn't the ball. The simple fact of the matter is that England just aren't that good. Form and fact show that they aren't really World Champion calibre, so why send them into every World Cup as potential favourites? Look at Uruguay for example, great team but not expected to win but onto the last 8 they go with the brilliance of the players and fans experiencing a good run? England are a not so great team but are constantly expected to go all the way just to fall every time and go down as a disappointment. Why isn't a second round defeat or a quarter finals spot not good enough?

    I'm not suggesting that England play as defeatists, but simply wipe away this potential winners status, accept that you are maybe above average and have another go at it. Enjoy where it takes the team (even if it only is into the second round). Look at the USA, they got to the second round, enjoyed the run and were defeated with pride.


    Blaming the ball is embarrassing.
  12. “A very strong ball, true to hit.”


    Frank Lampard.

    Sidenote: In February the FIFA offered testing balls to every team. All teams accepted to test them - except England.

    But the ball certainly didn't make any difference today.