1. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    When you dont know who else might have a gun, you be more cautious about using yours.

    Hell, Russia has insane gun laws, and a murder rate higher than just about anywhere else in the civilized world.


    And people who fire at the police are already insane enough to not be affected by your first sentence. If they had more guns they'd use more guns.
  2. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    Russia is not like the west. That country has some other serious issues. I think Russia doesn't deserve to be compared to the United States.


    I disagree.
  3. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    And people who fire at the police are already insane enough to not be affected by your first sentence. If they had more guns they'd use more guns.


    In America, genreally the citys with the strickest gun laws have the worst gun crime.
  4. How would you explain that there are fives times more murders committed in your country compared to mine?


  5. Culture. Gun control does nothing to solve the underlying problems. See Russia.


  6. You don't think it's a mix of both? I agree that Russia proves that culture has a lot do to with it. But I don't think culture's the only reason.
  7. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    You don't think it's a mix of both? I agree that Russia proves that culture has a lot do to with it. But I don't think culture's the only reason.


    Vermont has some of the most lenient gun control laws in America, and one of the lowest crime rates.


  8. And culture's probably one of the reasons for that.


  9. By comparison, New York City has some of the strickist gun laws in the country, and I think we can agree, it isn't a particularly safe city.
  10. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    By comparison, New York City has some of the strickist gun laws in the country, and I think we can agree, it isn't a particularly safe city.


    There's a few more people living in NYC, that kinda makes a difference.


  11. QFT. Vermont is full of liberal hippies who don't want guns. There's not even a Wal-Mart in the state of Vermont. Culture plays a huge factor in that. New York City is vastly different.

    And by the way, Indianapolis, where I'm from, has pretty lenient gun control laws, and was the murder capital of the country two years ago. It happens everywhere.
  12. Originally posted by WojBhoy:[..]
    - you could easily argue and with reason that this is a result of the increasingly consumerist instant-gratification culture we live in, and the notion of everyone placing rights over responsibility. . Why has it come to that? Where their moral and social compass has become so warped, almost non-existent, that they don't care whether it's ok or not but just go and do it anyway?



    I agree, it's due to the general slide of moral values into socio-cultural relativism and the embrace of self-gratification at the expense of all other things.

    Poor parenting too - didn't some UK academic/MP in the past year or two talk about how the decline of the family was behind much of the social malaise in the UK?