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  1. Originally posted by Mr_TrekCooperate with The Hague on the matter of war criminals like Ante Govina. But you have

    I'm sure it's a great deal economically for your country, you'll probably get money from it, unlike the rich countries like mine that lose money by being a member.


    I meant to ask how should I vote on referendum because I'm getting very skeptical about the whole situation in EU. And Croatia is still to weak economically ...

    Ante Gotovina is there for years already, and he in fact might be released. IMO; he didn't commit any crimes, he's just there because our first president Tuđman is dead and therefore cannot be judged.
  2. Originally posted by Yogi[..]

    I meant to ask how should I vote on referendum because I'm getting very skeptical about the whole situation in EU. And Croatia is still to weak economically ...

    Ante Gotovina is there for years already, and he in fact might be released. IMO; he didn't commit any crimes, he's just there because our first president Tuđman is dead and therefore cannot be judged.


    Well, when I looked Ante Gotovina up, it sure sounded like he's a war criminal. Like Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić.

    That war was an ugly, ugly war.
  3. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    How was he right? US army went to Iran to search for weapons of mass destruction. There were no weapons of mass destruction. USA also claimed that Saddam was linked to Al'Qaeda. They were not. But anyway, 110.000 civilians are now dead. How the fuck was he right?




    The new president always learns things that the old president knew. Why do you think Obama made so many promises he didnt keep? Namely closing Gitmo in his first 100 days and pulling the troops out immediately. He didnt do either one cuz he learned some details he didnt know before.
  4. Originally posted by Guenther[..]

    The new president always learns things that the old president knew. Why do you think Obama made so many promises he didnt keep? Namely closing Gitmo in his first 100 days and pulling the troops out immediately. He didnt do either one cuz he learned some details he didnt know before.


    It's easy to say that you're going to do one thing (mainly to please the voters) but if something complicates that process once you're in office, it's going to be hard to deliver.
  5. Originally posted by Mr_Trek[..]

    Well, when I looked Ante Gotovina up, it sure sounded like he's a war criminal. Like Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić.

    That war was an ugly, ugly war.


    Yeah, it was ugly, very ugly. Serbian agressors commited many crimes, but so did Croatians while defending themselves. Even UN did some very nasty things in that war. The story of Ante Gotovina is very complicated, but I'll try to do it in few sentances. The thing is, he's charged guilty for crimes that were done on territory few days after he left with his troops. You, know, Croatians freed very large territories but then left them unsecured so all kinds of mercenaries appeared and started to burn villages, kill people and rob them and so on.

    When war was over in 90-ties people from Hague came to investigate and wanted to talk to many Croatian generals, but president Tuđman didn't let them to, because, you know, „we won, we don't need this shit from Hague“.

    When he was caught many years later and trial began, a lot of documents about war already disappeared from government's vault. And that made things even more difficult.

    Now he's waiting for his final judgement. Even som law experts from USA now claim that they can prove that he's innocent. We'll see what will happen with that case.
  6. Well, let's see. Others would say he was in charge of an operation that committed many war crimes.
  7. That whole war overall was one of the darkest in recent history.
  8. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHILE IN OFFICE:
    • First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the USA
    • First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
    • First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law
    • First President to require all Americans to purchase a... product from a third party
    • First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs
    • First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat
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  9. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01That whole war overall was one of the darkest in recent history.


    Indeed, I read Bill Carter, the guy who did the ZooTV satellite link-ups, book Fools Rush In. About his time in (mainly) Sarajevo during the war. Amazing book about a city under siege, and the amazing people in that city.


  11. No. I heard there's a movie being made of the book I mentioned above though.. could be amazing.
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