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  1. Cant really find a good discussion on the virtues of your countrys subs versus my countrys subs. Most sources seem to agree that there the best diesel subs in the world, beating German, Israeli, and Japanese boats. Also, quieter than the older Russian, and Chinese nuclear boats.

    On American subs I do know this though. The first Ohio class ballistic misslle sub was allegedly so quiet, that it had to be made louder. Supposedly, sonar operators could actually make out the absence of sound on there screens.
  3. LOL. I was actually reading that, a few seconds ago.


    Too be fair, the USNs anti-sub systems have really suffered because of the end of the cold war. Carriers no longer carry a fixed wing ASW squadron, most surface ships no longer deploy with towed array sonar, and the CSGs own subs are genreally detached for special missions. Overall, if we get in a conventional naval fight, with an enemy with decent subs, its going to be a rough time.
  5. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:LOL. I was actually reading that, a few seconds ago.


    Too be fair, the USNs anti-sub systems have really suffered because of the end of the cold war. Carriers no longer carry a fixed wing ASW squadron, most surface ships no longer deploy with towed array sonar, and the CSGs own subs are genreally detached for special missions. Overall, if we get in a conventional naval fight, with an enemy with decent subs, its going to be a rough time.

    Well, our military has also gone a bit dormant after the end of the cold war. We were probably at a much higher risk than you.
  6. We had the defense of distance. You guys where on the front lines. The KGB, actually violated your territorial waters on multiple ocasions hunting down defectors.
  7. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:We had the defense of distance. You guys where on the front lines. The KGB, actually violated your territorial waters on multiple ocasions hunting down defectors.

    Yeah. This incident was close to turning the Cold War hot. Probably one of the closest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_on_the_rocks

    We've had quite a few incidents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents Actually there were reports of a foreign submarine in the Gothenburg peninsula last year. There was a very big naval search. Never found anything. One can only wonder. It feels good to have powerful allies like your country.
  8. I know of those.

    Another intresting incident.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_frigate_Storozhevoy

    The Russian navy thought (incorectly) that Sablin was trying to defect to you guys. When the Captain, managed to retake the bridge, the SU-24s where seconds away from sending them all too the bottom.

    I'd say the closest the cold war got to going hot was during the cuban misslle crisis. The Russian sent four Foxtrot class subs to spy on the American naval forces. The subs where quite outclassed for this, and where detected easily, by American forces. Each sub had a single nuclear torpedo, and very ambigious rules of engagement concerning its use. The catch was the commander, the XO, and the political officer all had to agree. On one sub the XO, and Political officer both wanted to fire, but the commander, (who had been XO on the ill-fated K-19) refused. The incident loosely set the basis for the film Crimson Tide.
  9. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:I know of those.

    Another intresting incident.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_frigate_Storozhevoy

    The Russian navy thought (incorectly) that Sablin was trying to defect to you guys. When the Captain, managed to retake the bridge, the SU-24s where seconds away from sending them all too the bottom.

    I'd say the closest the cold war got to going hot was during the cuban misslle crisis. The Russian sent four Foxtrot class subs to spy on the American naval forces. The subs where quite outclassed for this, and where detected easily, by American forces. Each sub had a single nuclear torpedo, and very ambigious rules of engagement concerning its use. The catch was the commander, the XO, and the political officer all had to agree. On one sub the XO, and Political officer both wanted to fire, but the commander, (who had been XO on the ill-fated K-19) refused. The incident loosely set the basis for the film Crimson Tide.

    Yeah, I know about the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    That's another time when it was very close. The moment the Swedish PM gave the order to "hold the border" was also one of those for sure. And the weapons battery that was set to fire. That could easily have led to World War III if the Russian's hadn't cooperated with us. If war had broken out between Sweden and Russia, I'm sure you'd have been there to help.
  10. You ever read the novel Read Storm Rising by Tom Clancy? it contains a fairly intresting scenario for WW3.

    And if the Russians had attacked you during the cold war, I'm sure you could have held your own. Your country is well suited for defensive warfare.
  11. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:You ever read the novel Read Storm Rising by Tom Clancy? it contains a fairly intresting scenario for WW3.

    And if the Russians had attacked you during the cold war, I'm sure you could have held your own. Your country is well suited for defensive warfare.

    I haven't, I shall try to remember that one.

    We are, but against the entire military might of the Soviet Union we'd have fallen eventually. I'm sure we'd have had help though. From countries like yours. I'm pretty sure the Soviet Union would have lost WWIII.

    Our conscription army had a very big number of available soldiers though. A very big. Since there were so many men with military training. We would have been able to mobile 100,000 men within hours. A million in total which would've taken a couple of weeks.
  12. I think the ammount of effort my country/England/France etc would have gave to helping your country would have been proportional to what the overall Russian strategy was. If it was a main push, it would have got more attention than a diversionarry strike for example.
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