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  1. The idea of 3 countries doesn't make sense to me either...
    But that was the best solution according to a study from 12 different specialists


    Originally posted by LikeASong:
    I think the only real solution would be calling for new elections AND if they don't success again, then dissolve the new formed parlament and call for a referendum regarding the creation of two (three?) new countries.


    You're probably right... Last elections, even though they don't seem to help, last chance and then a referendum. Only thing is that I can already predict the outcome : half of Flanders will vote for independance, almost every Walloon will want to keep Belgium as it is.
    EDIT : So actually we're back to zero then

    But Yuri said there hasn't been a referendum in Czechoslavakia for splitting up the country I didn't know that. Feels weird and unnatural to me...



    @ Risto's idea of Brussels under the EU flag : that's also a possibilty yes. Or Brussels as some kind of medieval city-state. But as Sergio said, I have no idea how the people in Brussels think about that...

    Also @ Risto : with all respect for the Dutchies, I think we're too different to feel as one
    Good partners, no doubt, but the same... No.
  2. Originally posted by clover68:[..]

    sadly true
    because some people get advantages from him and others are simply blind!!! and they are the majority .. more or less

    sometimes i'm wondering how Europe can be united if the single nations can't




    Sorry, I had to make a different post for that last sentence alone.

    You're absolutely right! Sometimes ridiculous small areas (when compared to other parts of the world) want to be independant : Flanders, Catalonia (90% is pro ?!), Basque country (no idea of that's the right name), Bretagne (so I heard), Scotland wants to hold a referendum for independance, there's still these troubles in Northern Ireland....
    And then we want to reunite them all in the EU
    Ever seen the buildings in Strasbourg or with how many they hold conferences there ? Insane



    About Italy : I have no idea how tha majority of the Italians can still be pro-Berlusconi...
    I've been there for 2 weeks, right before elections in 2008 (btw how many parties do you have, 100 or what ), everybody I spoke to said to have had enough of him, but look who's still in charge... Sex parties (with some -18 year old girls...), probably connections with the maffia...
    Oh well, I'm glad you seem to be against him
  3. I'm really looking forward to see Berlusconi jailed.


  4. absolutely i am!!!



    me too with all my heart
    in these days constitutional court is discussing against a law, guess who made it? , that put members of goverment away from being processed.
    but it seems it's going nowhere
    he, the malefic midget as i call him, should have 3 trials at the moment; other trials were deleted because parliament approved some decree-law which deletes that kind of crimes.

    day by day italy is going far away from democracy
  5. Originally posted by clover68:[..]

    absolutely i am!!!

    [..]

    me too with all my heart
    in these days constitutional court is discussing against a law, guess who made it? , that put members of goverment away from being processed.
    but it seems it's going nowhere
    he, the malefic midget as i call him, should have 3 trials at the moment; other trials were deleted because parliament approved some decree-law which deletes that kind of crimes.

    day by day italy is going far away from democracy


    At college we watched brilliant documentary called "Videocracy" about the way things are done by Berlusconi.



  6. Trailer for the new Zeitgeist documentary, it's a must see ;)
  7. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    You see, you don't quite get the idea of the country and it's government. Government is there because of you, YOU finance it and therefore the government should be at service to you.






    You want to rely on the governemnt for your every need, thats your business. I believe in self-reliance.

  8. Just to let you know, you probably wouldn't be alive if your parents hadn't relied at least minimaly on the government.

    Oh, and you of course woulnd't have learnt to speak&write decently if you hadn't gone to a public school, would you?


  9. Have fun dying in a house fire that your tax dollars- government money- would otherwise pay a fireman to put it out for you.

    Or like Sergio said, have fun teaching your kids how to read and write on your own instead of putting them in a public school.

    They government does more good than gets discussed on here. The truth is that it's too easy to point out the bad things, because they stick out like sore thumbs compared to the ritualistic things the American government does to better the lives of the people. It's utterly naive and downright stupid to suggest that nothing good comes from the government, and we could quite frankly list probably 50 things that you're not so "self reliant" on in your day-to-day life. Stop being immature and so radical about every belief you possess. It's fine to believe in something; it doesn't mean you need to choke it to its absolute death and advertise that it encompasses your life.
  10. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    Just to let you know, you probably wouldn't be alive if your parents hadn't relied at least minimaly on the government.

    Oh, and you of course woulnd't have learnt to speak&write decently if you hadn't gone to a public school, would you?


    I learned how to read and write from my family.

    Shove it.
  11. Originally posted by EyesWithPrideB3:[..]

    Have fun dying in a house fire that your tax dollars- government money- would otherwise pay a fireman to put it out for you.

    Or like Sergio said, have fun teaching your kids how to read and write on your own instead of putting them in a public school.

    They government does more good than gets discussed on here. The truth is that it's too easy to point out the bad things, because they stick out like sore thumbs compared to the ritualistic things the American government does to better the lives of the people. It's utterly naive and downright stupid to suggest that nothing good comes from the government, and we could quite frankly list probably 50 things that you're not so "self reliant" on in your day-to-day life. Stop being immature and so radical about every belief you possess. It's fine to believe in something; it doesn't mean you need to choke it to its absolute death and advertise that it encompasses your life.


    You blowing my beliefs out of context. I have no problemn, with the government providing education, and emergency services. What I do have a problemn with is some lazy fat fuck who just wants to sit home all day, and do crystal meth, because the govenrment will pay for his food, and housing, and the brain-damaged little basterds he makes. Meanwhile, me, and the majority of decent people in this country slave like fucking dogs all day, paying for him to be able to sit on his ass all day.

    You want to live in a nanny state, thats fine. As for me, I'll make my own way.

  12. I'll save my harmful&cutting comment about your writing skills for myself, thanks.

    That's great, congratulations! (not being ironic, I really mean it). I also learnt how to read and write from my mother and auntie, and at a pretty early age.
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