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  1. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]


    I posted a link about a documentary and you just made up whole story behind it and my secret agenda. I didn't even comment on it, wtf.

    I'm not trying to teach anyone anything.

    It was you who implied that you were telling us what war does to people, not US-bashing.

    I'm not trying to teach anyone anything. This is discussion topic. You know - people say their opinions and others can agree or disagree, there's no need for attacking on a personal level.

    That's funny since you mostly just post links.
  2. Originally posted by Yogi:On Syria topic. Turkey airplane should never flew above Syria and that's it. Of course they shoot it down, they're in the middle of civil war. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's something you would expect in that situation.

    Military intervention will never happen there because Russia and China won't let it. They've been pretty clear about it because they don't want the same mess that happened in Libya which is in ruins and chaos today.

    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-west-military-conflict-733/
    ‘If West stops military aid to opposition, Syria will be at negotiation table the very next day’

    http://www.rt.com/news/damascus-battle-uk-forces-syria-768/
    Clashes at Republican Guards HQ near Damascus, reports of British forces in Syria


    On another topic - Soros says that Eurozone has three days before it collapses:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/soros-we-have-3-days-to-avoid-fiasco-3vZTSZhPTgWdR9DIRmzx7Q.html

    Oh, yeah, because the Syrian government seems so trustworthy. And I doubt they'd want to negotiate Assad's removal from power. And I wonder... wouldn't it be fair if they stopped getting weapons from Russia then?

    Russia Today is owned by the Kremlin who gladly sells weapons to Syria. You could even say the Kremlin is a dictatorship itself.
  3. Well I am in dubio about the Syria situation. There has been substantial proof that some of the parties in war are connected to Al Qaida. And I am also bit pessimistic what the media tells about this all.

    In these days there are only a few big news coorporations, the rest just copies it. Go to your favourite news site and big chance that all is from the same source. Also the further people are the more difficult it is to see whats going on.

    In my opinion the Arabic League is on point on this one, and not us.
  4. No one really gives a damn about that wannabe commie ratfucker Soros.
  5. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]
    Oh, yeah, because the Syrian government seems so trustworthy. And I doubt they'd want to negotiate Assad's removal from power. And I wonder... wouldn't it be fair if they stopped getting weapons from Russia then?

    Russia Today is owned by the Kremlin who gladly sells weapons to Syria. You could even say the Kremlin is a dictatorship itself.


    Maybe you won't believe it, but Assad has big support in Syria. Yeah, Russia sells them weapons, but just Google a bit about to whom USA and Germany sells their weapons. Iran, which is now big problem for the west has one of the biggest armies in the world and you think that they made their own equipment? No, they use equipment from France, USA and Russia.

    Wars are over are not about politics and 'spreading democracy', they are one big business.

    Originally posted by Risto:Well I am in dubio about the Syria situation. There has been substantial proof that some of the parties in war are connected to Al Qaida. And I am also bit pessimistic what the media tells about this all.


    Exactly. It's all very similar to Libya thing. Just like in Libya, opposition forces in Syria are allegedly full of Al Qaida people and financed by the West.
  8. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]


    Maybe you won't believe it, but Assad has big support in Syria. Yeah, Russia sells them weapons, but just Google a bit about to whom USA and Germany sells their weapons. Iran, which is now big problem for the west has one of the biggest armies in the world and you think that they made their own equipment? No, they use equipment from France, USA and Russia.

    Wars are over are not about politics and 'spreading democracy', they are one big business.

    [..]


    Exactly. It's all very similar to Libya thing. Just like in Libya, opposition forces in Syria are allegedly full of Al Qaida people and financed by the West.

    I'm pretty sure the US hasn't been selling anything to Iran since they invaded Iraq in 1984. I'm unsure about Germany. The US does sell arms to Saudi Arabia...so you're close, but wrong country.

    But if you're saying that a quick google search will help me, it would. But it would a hell of a lot easier if instead of spouting info, you could source it. Then people on this site might actually take your posts serious.

    As for the opposition a bit, of course it would be financed by the west... the CIA has a hand in it.

    I wouldn't say they're full of, but some are more than likely to be linked to Al Queda.


  9. Yea, I don't...and I'm in Iran, not in a far away place. Assad does not have big support by the people. He has big support by Iran, Russia and China.
    The Iranian government supports Assad because he is the only true ally they have in the region.
    The Russians and Chinese support Assad ONLY because of their trades and the money they'll lose if Assad is replaced. Don't make them look like some saints trying to stop another Libiya-like situation.

    This of course doesn't mean that the Western countries are saints, after all everyone's working in their national interest...more so than they do in world interest or human rights interest.
    The western countries are doing the same thing to Bahrain that the Russians, Chinese and Iranians are doing to Syria.

    What's sad here is the people, hopes and dreams sacrificed by all these governments.

  10. Thank you Ali.

    It does feel like Assad is slowly losing his grip on power.

    And yeah, it's normal to cooperate with dictatorships in peacetime. I actually believe the chances for that country are better that way compared to it being frozen out. I do believe we could sell less weapons though. Things like the internet sure helped some countries quite a bit though.
  11. Haven't watched the latest one yet... but the Daily Show episode I watched yesterday was brilliant with a long interview with Marco Rubio.
  12. Originally posted by Ali709:[..]


    Yea, I don't...and I'm in Iran, not in a far away place. Assad does not have big support by the people. He has big support by Iran, Russia and China.
    The Iranian government supports Assad because he is the only true ally they have in the region.
    The Russians and Chinese support Assad ONLY because of their trades and the money they'll lose if Assad is replaced. Don't make them look like some saints trying to stop another Libiya-like situation.

    This of course doesn't mean that the Western countries are saints, after all everyone's working in their national interest...more so than they do in world interest or human rights interest.
    The western countries are doing the same thing to Bahrain that the Russians, Chinese and Iranians are doing to Syria.

    What's sad here is the people, hopes and dreams sacrificed by all these governments.

    Yeah us westies are pretty selective in who we think deserve democracy and who not. As you say, we only care about our own interests. With Bahrein indeed as the perfect example. If there will be an intervention, it will definitely not be the caused by the reasons depicted in the press.
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