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  1. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:Ross, do you know who Marco Rubio who Aaron is talking about is? In the two interviews I've seen with him, I've seen a great politician. Romney is nothing. I may not agree with Marco Rubio, he's just one of those who has real skill in politics. If there's anyone to make the Republican party succeed somewhere near its state at the moment, it's him. I hope that maybe he'll change the party for the better though. Or someone else. But watch out for Marco Rubio.

    For the next election though.... Hillary Clinton? I'd actually love seeing an election with Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio, I think if money doesn't destroy it (like in this election), it could be a refreshening great demonstration of a democratic process with great debates and everything.

    I couldn't agree more. I love watching politics and watching a skilled politician is great, no matter Dem or Rep. It's just like football, you love watching it, even if the player is one of the opponents.

    I think Clinton would be a great choice for the Democrats, as women will love her. And remember, more than 50% of the population is female...
  2. Hillary would be an excellent President.

    I doubt it happens, though.
  4. Originally posted by Ross1441:[..]

    BAH! The Republican party are running for the hills right now. If they don't get their heads out of the 1950s soon, they are going to find themselves a scattered mess.

    I don't want my stance on this to be misinterpreted. I love a progressive viewpoint but there are many conservative ideals that I am in total agreement with (balancing the budget for one). The problem is that the Republican party aren't representing the conservative ideal at all. They are representing the right-wing extremist ideal. That sort of stance doesn't fly with people any more. You can't go around talking about legitimate rape and criticizing anyone who isn't the white Christian, straight male.

    I'd just like to make clear that I would love for the Republican party to survive, but it is my belief that it cannot do so in its current state. They have to stop appealing only to the rich and the religious. Those are fast receding demographics and they can't survive running with them for much longer.

    Ah, yes: Using the words of a few idiots to vilify an entire group.

    Also, the Republicans actually control the house by a greater margin now, and all the left-wing constitutional amendments here in Michigan went down in flames.

    The Republican party is fine the way it is. They just need to work on the delivery.
  5. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:Ross, do you know who Marco Rubio who Aaron is talking about is? In the two interviews I've seen with him, I've seen a great politician. Romney is nothing. I may not agree with Marco Rubio, he's just one of those who has real skill in politics. If there's anyone to make the Republican party succeed somewhere near its state at the moment, it's him. I hope that maybe he'll change the party for the better though. Or someone else. But watch out for Marco Rubio.

    For the next election though.... Hillary Clinton? I'd actually love seeing an election with Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio, I think if money doesn't destroy it (like in this election), it could be a refreshening great demonstration of a democratic process with great debates and everything.

    If anything will kill Hillary's chances next time around it will be age. The Dems already played there up-and-comer. For the first time, the right actually has a better bench now.
  6. Originally posted by fabian:[..]


    This have been my thoughts on politics for a long time.

    Let me explain with a picture:
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    The people on the left of Obama will vote for him anyway, because he is the most progressive candidate anyway. Same for Romney, the conservative people will give him their vote, no matter what.

    The elections are all about the people in the middle. In the Netherlands, a lot of the voters are situated here. Since the 'depillarisation' most of us haven't been voting for the same party every time.

    So it is like a tug of war. Romney had to be more leftish, so that Obama had to go to the left, leaving him with less rope/voters.

    Biggest lie ever told. You Conservatives dont have to be moderate to get elected, or perhaps you have never heard of Reagan.
  7. Originally posted by fabian:[..]

    I couldn't agree more. I love watching politics and watching a skilled politician is great, no matter Dem or Rep. It's just like football, you love watching it, even if the player is one of the opponents.

    I think Clinton would be a great choice for the Democrats, as women will love her. And remember, more than 50% of the population is female...

    Left wing women love her, and the democratic party will get them regardless of who runs.

  8. Had her chance. The party fucked her over in favor of Obama.
  9. Funny thing to hear you say.

    The problem is that you don't see the problem. When we try to take a neutral viewpoint and argue how the Republicans might win the next elections, the first thing you do is defend the Republicans. You act like Romney's team ran a perfect race which is obviously not the case.

  10. So did the Republican party in 1976 with your friend Reagan, remember?

  11. Reagan is probably the president that had the easiest race. His opponent, Carter, was disliked by the American people because of his Afghan policy.

    Let me give you three examples of moderate parties that won recent Dutch elections:
    2002-2010: Center party CDA is reigning during polarisation
    2010: Right-wing VVD becomes the biggest party for the first time in history because of the most socialistic approach ever
    2012: Left-wing PvdA scored 15 seats in the polls and two weeks later 40 seats on Election Day after party leader Samson moves to the center, beating the extreme socialistic SP (who fell from 30 to 15 seats in two weeks). Our parliament has 150 seats.
  12. Originally posted by fabian:[..]
    Funny thing to hear you say.

    The problem is that you don't see the problem. When we try to take a neutral viewpoint and argue how the Republicans might win the next elections, the first thing you do is defend the Republicans. You act like Romney's team ran a perfect race which is obviously not the case.

    There is no such thing as a perfect race.
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