1. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:The odds of a crime being conducted with an "assault" weapon are very low anyway. I love the liberal logic of punishing people who have nothing to do with what one madman did.

    well the same logic is the reason why you can't take a knife or gun to a plane...hell not even large liquids these days. I don't see you complaining about that.
  2. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:The entire reason the second amendment exist is so the people can defend themselves from the gov if it becomes too corrupt and powerful. If you want to fight off the gov with a single shot shotgun, be my guest.

    According to that logic why not tolerate laser guided missile launchers, much more handy
  3. Originally posted by Ali709:[..]

    well the same logic is the reason why you can't take a knife or gun to a plane...hell not even large liquids these days. I don't see you complaining about that.

    I assure you, I think that is bs.

  4. No defensive application.

  5. I believe threatening and killing in defense needs an offensive deed to be defensive. I am sure you could draw your own conclusion, but let me help you: guns are mostly used in an offensive way.
  6. What about the ripe little problem we have developed ourselves here in Belfast with our democratically made decision to remove a flag? Has it made the news where you are?

  7. even knives and guns?

    Point is, "the liberal logic of punishing people who have nothing to do with what one madman did" is what many things are based on.

    The whole existence of police and detectives is based on that. Because one madman one day decided to attack the others or steal from others etc. Why should we suffer police stops, police investigation and all that?

    Having to get a license to drive is based on that. You could always trust people to only drive if they know how to do it properly...but some madman would try to do it. Why should we suffer having to go through all that's needed to get a license?

    Requiring photo IDs for voting is based on that. You could trust people to not commit voter fraud, but because some madmen would do it everyone has to get photo IDs. Even honest citizens that would find it difficult to the point that they might not vote at all. Even if it's just a very small fraction.

    This logic is what constitutions and laws are based on. It's what almost everything is based on. A group has to be protected against it's weak spots - that is, the "madman".
  8. Originally posted by fabian:[..]

    I believe threatening and killing in defense needs an offensive deed to be defensive. I am sure you could draw your own conclusion, but let me help you: guns are mostly used in an offensive way.


    Now let me help you. When someone breaks into my house at three in the morning, hes getting his head blown off.

  9. If the gov is that dedicated to violating the rights of the people everyone is screwed anyway.
  10. Originally posted by Ali709:[..]

    even knives and guns?

    Point is, "the liberal logic of punishing people who have nothing to do with what one madman did" is what many things are based on.

    The whole existence of police and detectives is based on that. Because one madman one day decided to attack the others or steal from others etc. Why should we suffer police stops, police investigation and all that?

    Having to get a license to drive is based on that. You could always trust people to only drive if they know how to do it properly...but some madman would try to do it. Why should we suffer having to go through all that's needed to get a license?

    Requiring photo IDs for voting is based on that. You could trust people to not commit voter fraud, but because some madmen would do it everyone has to get photo IDs. Even honest citizens that would find it difficult to the point that they might not vote at all. Even if it's just a very small fraction.

    This logic is what constitutions and laws are based on. It's what almost everything is based on. A group has to be protected against it's weak spots - that is, the "madman".

    Having a drivers license makes sense, as there are basic standards for operating a motor vehicle. Police and detectives are predominantly a reactive institution. Taking rights away from people who had nothing to do with a tragedy is wrong.

    Gotta wonder if the people who think these types of mass shootings are some kind of false flag op by the left, to take guns away are onto something.