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  1. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]


    See, this is why you have to study harder. Racism and communism don't go together in the same sentence. It's up to you to find out why.

    Bush and Blair are responsible for more than 100.000 lives and yet they walk freely. Che Guevara of course had blood on his hands but if you do some research you will find that he was in the first place - great humanist.



    You ever read his thoughts on black people? How about his journal entries about how he seemed to enjoy executing people? You have your head so far up your ass, that lump in your throat is your nose.
  2. Originally posted by Macphistfly:[..]

    I don't want to come across as argumentative as Aaron, but I find Humanism to be a twisted view of things completely disavowing of and ignorant to the desires and rights of the individual.

    Its why Star Wars kicks Star Treks ass.


    Thank you.

    Communism by any other name still fails hard.

    Also, Star Wars is better than Star Trek.


  3. It does, but Aaron as much as I like you tone your anger down a bit.
    You've got wise things to say, so take a breather before you say them.

    (Even if they are about those pinko-Commie sons of whores.)
  4. Originally posted by Macphistfly:[..]

    It does, but Aaron as much as I like you tone your anger down a bit.
    You've got wise things to say, so take a breather before you say them.

    (Even if they are about those pinko-Commie sons of whores.)


    I'm always at 100% although recently I have gotten into the philosiphy of aquiesence.

    Oddly I got into it, because i watched Bruce Lees films.
  6. I used to be like that, it's only going to shorten your life.

    Take up Meditation, as Championed by Lee and every other Martial arts master.
  7. Originally posted by Macphistfly:I used to be like that, it's only going to shorten your life.

    Take up Meditation, as Championed by Lee and every other Martial arts master.



    I have been. My problemn is I basicly have two modes.

    On: The take no prisoners, hell hath no furry firebrand, that I usually save for political arguements, and for when I'm really pissed.

    and,

    Off: Basicly the most mellow person in the world, who has no motivation.

    I'm trying to get to a happy medium.


  10. She's had a major revival. Major.

    But be careful with her, she was vicious.
  11. An intresting article I found on Che written by Johann Hari.



    REVERING CHE GUEVARA IS A SICK, SAD JOKE
    He called for Maoism and the Nuking of New York
    ***
    The myth of Che Guevara is seductive and lush. It’s a story about an Argentinean rich-boy who was so shocked by poverty he became a Robin Hood fighting alongside the poor, until eventually he was murdered by the CIA. The reality of Che Guevara is very different. The facts show that he was a totalitarian with a Messiah streak, a man who openly wanted to impose Maoist tyranny on the world, Oh, and at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, he urged the Soviet Union in a fit of fanaticism to nuke New York and bring about the end of the world.

    It is true that Che’s story begins with a motorcycle journey across South America. He was stunned by the gap between the swanky transplanted European culture he lived in and the starved misery of the indigenous peoples. He was rightly repelled by the US government’s habit of smashing local governments and installing dictators who would slobber over US corporations.

    But he concluded from that journey – gradually, over a few years – that there was only one solution: the imposition of authoritarian communism, by force, everywhere. He chose not to see that this system, wherever it is tried, makes people even poorer still, invariably spreading famine, starvation, and terror. Che declared that the point at which the Soviet Union went wrong was not when Lenin built a police state and started slaughtering dissidents. No – it was when Lenin, in the midst of the mass starvation caused by his policies, decided to back down and allow a few very limited markets after all. This was a “betrayal”.

    There were only two countries that Che thought really admirable: Maoist China and Kim Il Sung’s North Korea. He bragged that there was “not a single discrepancy” between Mao’s worldview and his own. He fawned over the Chairman in the flesh, describing him as the example “the Americas must follow.” As Che was gushing about his admiration to Mao in Beijing, barely a few miles away, and across the Chinese countryside, there was an epidemic of mothers cutting off the flesh from their inner thigh to feed it to their starving children. It was so widespread that the Chinese Communist Party had to launch a campaign to ban the practice. The impervious dictator killed 70 million people in the end, cheered on by his guerrilla friend at every stage.

    Of course, Che’s defenders act as if this was the only choice confronted by Latin Americans: you were either for US-imposed market fundamentalism, or for Maoist Communism. But you don’t have to look very far in Che’s life to see that this is a lie.

    His diaries show that he is constantly appalled to discover that almost everyone around him, including the revolutionaries fighting to topple US-backed dictators, did not share his Maoist-totalitarian vision for the future. His first wife, Hilda Gadea, was a social democrat. She wanted to depose the US-backed tyrants – and then replace them with moderate, Swedish-style mixed economies. Che ridiculed and pilloried her as “bourgeois”, before abandoning her and their child. Yet he ordinary Cubans he ended up fighting alongside on the Sierra Maestre also wanted to create a mixed-economy democracy with regular elections. Disgusted, Che noted in his diary: “I discovered the evident anticommunist inclinations of most of them.” But he knew better.

    When Che and Fidel Castro’s guerrilla army seized power in Cuba, he was immediately – and to his delight – put in charge of the firing squads. Out on the Sierra Maestre he had shot ‘traitors’ at point-blank range in the head, noting it coolly in his diary before moving on to a discussion of which women were up for “fucking”. Now he instituted a system of ‘trials’ that lasted a few hours, with himself as sole judge. They invariably ended with the low-level functionaries of the Batista regime being lined up and shot. Che’s public declarations from that time are blunt. “All right, it is dictatorship,” he shouted at one point. On another occasion, he raged: “It’s criminal to think of the needs of the individual.”

    This was only the beginning of his decrees. He quickly banned Santa Claus, saying he was an “American imperialist import.” He even said that cutting back on the number of toilets in public places was “revolutionary”. An architect stuttered in response, “But in revolutions, people go to the bathroom just as much as before.” Che snapped back: “Not the new man. He can sacrifice.”

    He had hardened into a deranged fanatic, impervious to any arguments against him. The friend who had travelled with him on the famous motorcycle journeys, David Mitrani, was shocked when they met up in Havana, and repulsed when Che said they needed to cultivate “relentless hatred of the enemy that [should] impel us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transform us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines”.

    This fanaticism reached its peak in October 1963, when he seriously advocated a course of action that would end life on earth. Che implored the Soviet Union to place nuclear missiles on the island of Cuba. He knew the US would interpret this as an act of aggression and perhaps retaliate with nuclear weapons – but he declared that “the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face if the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names… they will feel completely happy and fulfilled” knowing the revolution had inspired people for a while. He did not say how he knew the Cuban people would be delighted to die of radiation sickness, their skin slopping from their faces.

    The Soviet Union followed Che’s advice – and the world came closer to nuclear annihilation than at any point before or since. On the American side, maniacs like General Curtis LeMay implored Jack Kennedy to nuke Moscow immediately. On the Soviet side, Che Guevara played exactly the same role. He urged Khrushchev to launch a nuclear strike, now, against US cities. For the rest of his life, he declared that if his finger had been on the button, he would have pushed it. When Khrushchev backed down and literally saved the world, Che was furious at the “betrayal”. If Che’s advice had been followed, you would not be reading this newspaper now. Nobody would ever be reading a newspaper again.

    None of these facts are seriously disputed by historians; they are simply skidded over by Che’s defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how Che stood for “honesty” and “revolution”. But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny that murdered millions more actual people.

    If the small lingering band of people who still revere Che were honest about continuing his life’s work, they would have to form a group called “Left-Wingers for Creating a Universal North Korea, Prior to Universal Death in a Nuclear Winter.” I don’t think they will find many recruits.
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