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  1. She's had a major revival. Major.

    But be careful with her, she was vicious.
  2. An intresting article I found on Che written by Johann Hari.



    REVERING CHE GUEVARA IS A SICK, SAD JOKE
    He called for Maoism and the Nuking of New York
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    The myth of Che Guevara is seductive and lush. It’s a story about an Argentinean rich-boy who was so shocked by poverty he became a Robin Hood fighting alongside the poor, until eventually he was murdered by the CIA. The reality of Che Guevara is very different. The facts show that he was a totalitarian with a Messiah streak, a man who openly wanted to impose Maoist tyranny on the world, Oh, and at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, he urged the Soviet Union in a fit of fanaticism to nuke New York and bring about the end of the world.

    It is true that Che’s story begins with a motorcycle journey across South America. He was stunned by the gap between the swanky transplanted European culture he lived in and the starved misery of the indigenous peoples. He was rightly repelled by the US government’s habit of smashing local governments and installing dictators who would slobber over US corporations.

    But he concluded from that journey – gradually, over a few years – that there was only one solution: the imposition of authoritarian communism, by force, everywhere. He chose not to see that this system, wherever it is tried, makes people even poorer still, invariably spreading famine, starvation, and terror. Che declared that the point at which the Soviet Union went wrong was not when Lenin built a police state and started slaughtering dissidents. No – it was when Lenin, in the midst of the mass starvation caused by his policies, decided to back down and allow a few very limited markets after all. This was a “betrayal”.

    There were only two countries that Che thought really admirable: Maoist China and Kim Il Sung’s North Korea. He bragged that there was “not a single discrepancy” between Mao’s worldview and his own. He fawned over the Chairman in the flesh, describing him as the example “the Americas must follow.” As Che was gushing about his admiration to Mao in Beijing, barely a few miles away, and across the Chinese countryside, there was an epidemic of mothers cutting off the flesh from their inner thigh to feed it to their starving children. It was so widespread that the Chinese Communist Party had to launch a campaign to ban the practice. The impervious dictator killed 70 million people in the end, cheered on by his guerrilla friend at every stage.

    Of course, Che’s defenders act as if this was the only choice confronted by Latin Americans: you were either for US-imposed market fundamentalism, or for Maoist Communism. But you don’t have to look very far in Che’s life to see that this is a lie.

    His diaries show that he is constantly appalled to discover that almost everyone around him, including the revolutionaries fighting to topple US-backed dictators, did not share his Maoist-totalitarian vision for the future. His first wife, Hilda Gadea, was a social democrat. She wanted to depose the US-backed tyrants – and then replace them with moderate, Swedish-style mixed economies. Che ridiculed and pilloried her as “bourgeois”, before abandoning her and their child. Yet he ordinary Cubans he ended up fighting alongside on the Sierra Maestre also wanted to create a mixed-economy democracy with regular elections. Disgusted, Che noted in his diary: “I discovered the evident anticommunist inclinations of most of them.” But he knew better.

    When Che and Fidel Castro’s guerrilla army seized power in Cuba, he was immediately – and to his delight – put in charge of the firing squads. Out on the Sierra Maestre he had shot ‘traitors’ at point-blank range in the head, noting it coolly in his diary before moving on to a discussion of which women were up for “fucking”. Now he instituted a system of ‘trials’ that lasted a few hours, with himself as sole judge. They invariably ended with the low-level functionaries of the Batista regime being lined up and shot. Che’s public declarations from that time are blunt. “All right, it is dictatorship,” he shouted at one point. On another occasion, he raged: “It’s criminal to think of the needs of the individual.”

    This was only the beginning of his decrees. He quickly banned Santa Claus, saying he was an “American imperialist import.” He even said that cutting back on the number of toilets in public places was “revolutionary”. An architect stuttered in response, “But in revolutions, people go to the bathroom just as much as before.” Che snapped back: “Not the new man. He can sacrifice.”

    He had hardened into a deranged fanatic, impervious to any arguments against him. The friend who had travelled with him on the famous motorcycle journeys, David Mitrani, was shocked when they met up in Havana, and repulsed when Che said they needed to cultivate “relentless hatred of the enemy that [should] impel us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transform us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines”.

    This fanaticism reached its peak in October 1963, when he seriously advocated a course of action that would end life on earth. Che implored the Soviet Union to place nuclear missiles on the island of Cuba. He knew the US would interpret this as an act of aggression and perhaps retaliate with nuclear weapons – but he declared that “the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face if the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names… they will feel completely happy and fulfilled” knowing the revolution had inspired people for a while. He did not say how he knew the Cuban people would be delighted to die of radiation sickness, their skin slopping from their faces.

    The Soviet Union followed Che’s advice – and the world came closer to nuclear annihilation than at any point before or since. On the American side, maniacs like General Curtis LeMay implored Jack Kennedy to nuke Moscow immediately. On the Soviet side, Che Guevara played exactly the same role. He urged Khrushchev to launch a nuclear strike, now, against US cities. For the rest of his life, he declared that if his finger had been on the button, he would have pushed it. When Khrushchev backed down and literally saved the world, Che was furious at the “betrayal”. If Che’s advice had been followed, you would not be reading this newspaper now. Nobody would ever be reading a newspaper again.

    None of these facts are seriously disputed by historians; they are simply skidded over by Che’s defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how Che stood for “honesty” and “revolution”. But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny that murdered millions more actual people.

    If the small lingering band of people who still revere Che were honest about continuing his life’s work, they would have to form a group called “Left-Wingers for Creating a Universal North Korea, Prior to Universal Death in a Nuclear Winter.” I don’t think they will find many recruits.
  3. + 1


  5. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for lifting the Trade ban with Cuba. America should be friendly with all nations, imposing no rule on any - it's the way the founders intended.

    The problems come when America tries to place Police to the world - there is just no money, grounds, or reason behind it.
  6. Originally posted by Macphistfly:[..]

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for lifting the Trade ban with Cuba. America should be friendly with all nations, imposing no rule on any - it's the way the founders intended.

    The problems come when America tries to place Police to the world - there is just no money, grounds, or reason behind it.


    I belive in policing the world only when our intrest are directly threateened.


  7. Intervention without grounds? Uhm... Look at Iraq, bit of a dick-up don't you think?
  8. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    You ever read his thoughts on black people? How about his journal entries about how he seemed to enjoy executing people? You have your head so far up your ass, that lump in your throat is your nose.


    I read his diaries and read few of his biographies since I was doing an essay about him and Cuban revolution at the end of high scool so I consider myself preety well informed on the subject. Can't accuse him of racism because his guerilla was full of black people. Hell, he even went to fight to Africa.

    And of couse that I know that, for example, he was writing to his mom that he's 'blood
    -thirsty as every soldier' etc.

    He was killing two types of people;

    -1. people that would join them and then betrayed them
    If you wanted to join guerilla, you could, but at the very beginning they would tell you - if you betray us, you'll get a bullet in your brains. So, it's up to you.
    -2. people that they judged after the revolution. They would be sentenced to death and then executed.

    All those people were from Batistas regimme that destroyed Cuba by turning it into huge entertaining park for americans.


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    Back to Libya - 2000 people reported dead, some even say 5000.

  9. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    I read his diaries and read few of his biographies since I was doing an essay about him and Cuban revolution at the end of high scool so I consider myself preety well informed on the subject. Can't accuse him of racism because his guerilla was full of black people. Hell, he even went to fight to Africa.

    And of couse that I know that, for example, he was writing to his mom that he's 'blood
    -thirsty as every soldier' etc.

    He was killing two types of people;

    -1. people that would join them and then betrayed them
    If you wanted to join guerilla, you could, but at the very beginning they would tell you - if you betray us, you'll get a bullet in your brains. So, it's up to you.
    -2. people that they judged after the revolution. They would be sentenced to death and then executed.

    All those people were from Batistas regimme that destroyed Cuba by turning it into huge entertaining park for americans.

    I doubt you even read my links.

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    Back to Libya - 2000 people reported dead, some even say 5000.




    Many of those he executed were never proven guilty. The libtard romanticism of Che is dispicable.


  10. I agree on Iraq.

    Basicly, I only belive in taking action when something can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a direct threat to American citizens and property.
  11. Irish General Election today.. Lets see what tossers will be in charge next..
  12. Demonstrations in Croatia continue today..



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