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  1. Originally posted by dylbagz:[..]

    i don't have anything against them at all, i have lived with muslims and as i said, the ones i personally know are among the nicest people i have met.
    but as i said i have something against that one muslim and that one select group, who kill innocent people cause they think it's their god given right to - and the reason i say that muslim osama is because i can guarantee that if he was not a muslim, he would not have committed the crimes he did. you can say that it wouldn't matter what religion he followed, he still would have been the same, but there is no other religion in the modern world where people can become brainwashed and devoted to doing the atrocities that he did. that would be like saying, if you didn't live where you did and go to school where you did as a child, your life would still be the same. if he was a jew, born into a rich saudi family, he would not have that hatred for the west that he did. islam, in one way or another, did that to him. he would not have been the same without it and the world would be a different place. as i already said, it's only that one muslim and his followers who i (and much of the educated, western world) dislike and see as a bane on our lives


    Remind me again where Bin Laden was educated? His religion has nothing to with it - if you only have a problem with one muslim and one group, why mention it? All religions brainwash their adherents. Look, I'm not a Bin Laden apologist - he was a murdering bastard who got what he deserved - but, come on. Do you make sweeping statements about Catholics because of the IRA? Or Protestants due to the UVF? Terrorism is terrorism, no matter where it's coming from. By the way - born Jewish into a rich Saudi family? HA HA HA.
  2. Originally posted by thejonner:[..]

    Remind me again where Bin Laden was educated? His religion has nothing to with it - if you only have a problem with one muslim and one group, why mention it? All religions brainwash their adherents. Look, I'm not a Bin Laden apologist - he was a murdering bastard who got what he deserved - but, come on. Do you make sweeping statements about Catholics because of the IRA? Or Protestants due to the UVF? Terrorism is terrorism, no matter where it's coming from. By the way - born Jewish into a rich Saudi family? HA HA HA.


    yeah i do hahahaha. and i am a catholic myself. and yes i know that it is nigh on impossible for someone born into a saudi family to be jewish, but it was just a random example. he was one fucked up person who has created more problems in the world than you could ever imagine one man could do
  3. and the ira and most other non-islamic terrorist groups have not had anywhere near as a profound effect upon the world as the groups from the middle east IMO
  4. See what the Americans can achieve when PSN is down.

    On another note, ten years, 1.2 trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths for one man. Value
  5. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    Yeah, we had Pavelić, Hitler's son of a bitch financed by Mussolini.

    But let's go back on topic. Here's the thing: I don't believe in Bin Laden. I don't believe that one guy, one guy was smarter than this:

    [image]

    I think that US just randomly picked one terrorist and said: 'Ok, he's gonna be our ultimate target for the next x number of years. Remember, USA invaded two countries because of that guy.

    In order to invade someone or something, you need to have a symbol, someone very bad so that people will say: 'Ok, let's get that bastard no matter what!'.

    Iraq: 105.000 dead civilians. Because of one man, or because of this:

    [image]



    so when are you saying that the US began to put all the blame on him?
  6. Originally posted by germcevoy:See what the Americans can achieve when PSN is down.

    On another note, ten years, 1.2 trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths for one man. Value

    Asda price.
  7. Originally posted by bartajax:You really think that if that is true it could be kept secret for ten years


    I think that the USA has gone to far, but I agree with them that the some parts of the Middle-East arent to be trust and if there isnt a diplomatic solution you have to do something to stop them. If you look at Iran, I just dont trust that country and their president Ahmadinejad.

    Ofcourse I hope that we all over the world will live in peace but Im afraid that that never gonna happen.


    also north korea.. that dictatorship over there is scary - especially cause their links with china
  8. Originally posted by dylbagz:[..]

    yeah i do hahahaha. and i am a catholic myself. and yes i know that it is nigh on impossible for someone born into a saudi family to be jewish, but it was just a random example. he was one fucked up person who has created more problems in the world than you could ever imagine one man could do


    Certainly agree with your last sentence. But just because other terrorist acts/groups may have less recent activity to condemn, don't think that their effects were or are any less felt, even today.
  9. Originally posted by germcevoy:See what the Americans can achieve when PSN is down.

    On another note, ten years, 1.2 trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths for one man. Value


    Haha

    i dunt know if this will change anything though, for every leader that falls (if he even was the leader) theres 10 more that want to take their place.
  10. Originally posted by Andrew_C:Haha

    i dunt know if this will change anything though, for every leader that falls (if he even was the leader) theres 10 more that want to take their place.

    Indeed, hence the analogy of the hydra that's being bandied about - very apt, must say. It's a war that can never be won and probably will never end, not without a dramatic global change in ideologies at any rate.

  11. There's a case to suggest it's far more hype than anything else - sure, there may feel like a threat of some note from Kim Jong-Il and his regime, but they're virtually bankrupt and very much in lieu to the Chinese who are increasingly looking to buddy up with the West, and as a result are putting less and less into DPRK - if China were to withdraw their backing of Jong-Il, they'd be truly fucked. You can never rule out the acts of a desperate man who wants to make a scene, but I get the impression from what I've come across that the supposed threat of DPRK is less than made out.
  12. Yogi, have you ever been to the US? If not, you should come over here, immediately take a trip to any DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) office and spend 5 minutes there trying to get something done. I promise you that 5 minutes in that government-run office will convince you that our government is not capable of a 10+ year conspiracy, given the insane levels of incompetancy, laziness, and disregard for anything or anyone you'd see there. You're giving the US government WAAAAAY too much credit with all this silly conspiracy/inside job talk.
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