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  1. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:That's the hypocrisy that capitalism leads too... I still prefer some people being saved regardless of why instead of nobody being saved though. I think human life is worth more than politics.

    I do think it too. It's like the people who say "Famous people do false charity, they help each other just to show off"... And I go like "Yes, but they AT LEAST do something"!! This is similar, Lybia war might be mainly regarding economic and political matters, but AT LEAST they're keeping a cruent dictator from killing his own people.
  2. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:That's the hypocrisy that capitalism leads too... I still prefer some people being saved regardless of why instead of nobody being saved though. I think human life is worth more than politics.


    If it was George Bush invading, you know you'd be saying just the opposite.


  3. George Bush invaded without UN support or anything, and in an entirely different manner. I don't know the story, since I was too young, but I don't think he had the support of a large number of Iraq's population either?
  4. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    George Bush invaded without UN support or anything, and in an entirely different manner. I don't know the story, since I was too young, but I don't think he had the support of a large number of Iraq's population either?


    It's still foreign interventionism in disrespect of the Constitution. "Shall not go to war without the approval of the congress."
  5. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    I do think it too. It's like the people who say "Famous people do false charity, they help each other just to show off"... And I go like "Yes, but they AT LEAST do something"!! This is similar, Lybia war might be mainly regarding economic and political matters, but AT LEAST they're keeping a cruent dictator from killing his own people.


    That's not fair either, Sergio.
    Look how many dictators us in the west have propped up to serve our own interests only for them to turn genocidal.

    Look up the overthrowing of Mosadeq.
  6. Originally posted by Macphistfly:[..]

    It's still foreign interventionism in disrespect of the Constitution. "Shall not go to war without the approval of the congress."


    Oh, sorry. I'm not talking about whether or not it was against the constitution. I'm sure it was. I really don't care since it would've happened with or without the U.S. I'm talking about whether it's justified or not.
  7. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    Oh, sorry. I'm not talking about whether or not it was against the constitution. I'm sure it was. I really don't care since it would've happened with or without the U.S. I'm talking about whether it's justified or not.


    In my opinion there hasn't really been a justifiable war since 1939.
  8. Originally posted by Macphistfly:That's not fair either, Sergio.
    Look how many dictators us in the west have propped up to serve our own interests only for them to turn genocidal.

    I know, Gadafi has been "a friend" for a long time, and now he's the Evil personified... I know, I know, it's very hypocrytical. But, BUT, what do you propose? Let him kill and kill and kill his own people, wheter they support him or not? Not doing anything is not the way, methinks. Of course it's hypocrytical since occident actually does nothing in a lot of similar (or worse) conflicts like SIerra Leona, Somalia, Congo, Siria, etc etc... but at least it has some kind of logical basis. Helping -biasedly or not- is better than not helping at all.

    Legal or illegal - I won't go into that, as I don't know the whole story.

    I tend to agree with this, though.
  9. I get where you're coming from Sergio and it's a place of compassion, I just wish things were as simple as we're being told they are.

    One thing leads to another, leads to another.
    Foreign entanglements, sending money to 'resistance' groups, it can all be done with the best of intentions and then turn out to be bigger a problem, than the monster you used it to slay!


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  11. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    Lybia war might be mainly regarding economic and political matters, but AT LEAST they're keeping a cruent dictator from killing his own people.


    Hm. I don't think things are that simple. Libya is one of the most developed and richest African countries. People there don't pay for gas or water, they even get free apartments when they get married and things like that. If you're Libyan and want to study in foreign country, government will pay you ALL expenses.

    So the things there weren't that bad at all. Gadafi killing it's own people? That's what media told us and that's what happened. But, what caused demonstrations?

    If you have civil war than it's normal for government to defend itself. We don't really know which percentage of people was (and is) against Gadafi.

    On the other side, it's obvious that west (France and USA) have some other interests... Libya lies on the oil and Gadafi is a guy you don't get to fuck with.
  12. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:That's the hypocrisy that capitalism leads too... I still prefer some people being saved regardless of why instead of nobody being saved though. I think human life is worth more than politics.


    And marxism dosen't breed hypocrisy?
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