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Does anyone have the version of Hard To Imagine from Chicago Cab soundtrack ??

Originally posted by EDDMB:I Got Shit/Long Road are from the following year though,recorded during Merkin Ball, with Uncle Neil.They really dont have anything to do with Vitalogy.

I know but they gotta be put with ONE of the albums....the similar packaging also makes me link the two (Vitalogy and Merkinball) - as well as the two songs being played on the 1995 tour.

EDDMB

12 years

Pearl Jam vs Soundgarden

Ten ***** > Ultramega OK ***... even if BMF was Soundgardens debut,nothing can beat 10.

VS ***** > Louder Than Love *** ...VS is amazing....no debate here.

Vitalogy **** > Badmotorfinger **** ...this was close,real close...maybe a = is more fair,as Vitalogy is a broken record.4 awful "songs" take this classic down a full star.I would not argue,if anyone states Badmotorfinger is better than Vitalogy,as many have.Jesus Christ Pose,Outshined,Rusty Cage and Searching With My Good Eye closed are absolute 90's classics.But Nothingman,Better Man,Immortality,STBC and Not For You are so epic,they defeat BMF's greatness IMO.Vedder's hostile takeover of PJ is evident here.

No Code *** < ***** Superunknown... no contest..Soundgardens gem of gems,one of the best releases of the decade.....No Code has some great songs,they are there,but the recording's are awful. Vedder's hostile takeover is now complete.He mumbles his way throughout the entire recording,making it unlistenable.The PJ sound,as we knew and loved,is gone,the demo/flat/uninspired/dry/dead sound is in....as are the PJ record sales.

Yeild *** < Down on the Upside **** I went maybe a decade,since I last listened to Soundgardens last '90's release,as a few of their records I somehow lost.The start is very solid,dips a bit after,but this release is really good,4 stars easily for me.Mabye 16 songs is 3 too many ? Pretty Noose,Dusty,Blow Up The Outside World,Burden in My Hand,Tighter & Tighter and Overfloater all sound so crisp and clean,as PJ USED TO SOUND.I have probably gone the same length of time,since I last listened to Yeild,and no,I didnt lose it.Yeild is yet another dead redording....flat..and pretty much just sounds awful.A shame,as there are some buried treasures in there.....somewhere.. beneath the dullness of Yeild...which follows No Code,as having a quiet, quick,and painless death on the charts.

Live on Two Legs ****1/2 = I-5 ****1/2 What's this ? PJ rockin' out ? Sounding like that early 90's group Pearl Jam from Seattle ?? Red Mosquito,GIVEN TO FLY,Hail Hail and DO THE EVOLUTION have some serious balls live....GTF actually goes straight into my top 10 PJ songs,after PJ blow me away at MSG in 1998.A few more from No Code (Sometimes,In My Tree and PT) and Yeild (Faithful,In Hidding,Brain of J) should have been on this,in place of MFC and Fuckin' Up,or maybe a double album could have been in order. I-5 is very very good as well,it is missing a couple of top songs (My Wave,Pretty Noose and Superunknown) but it really is a solid collection of their 90's tunes.I have the exclusive with the soundchecks,Somewhere and Room a Thousand Years Wide sound amazing.I went with a virtual tie here.

It would be nice if 2 Legs gets a remaster,and maybe 10 more from the 98 tour are added.

Since Soundgarden brokeup for close to 16 yrs,I thought I would compare PJ's last release Backspacer,to King Animal.Not that PJ really released much in the 2000's,as far as a great record.

Backspacer ***1/2 < King Animal *****..not much to say here really...Soundgarden's comback is a masterpiece....Backspacer has its moments,but the best tunes are Vedder's solo acoustic ballads The End and Just Breathe,which would have fit in quite nicely on Into the Wild.The rest of the album is good,Unthought Known,Amonst the Waves and Speed of Sound are very good....my question is this,would Matt Cameron have brought in the Fixer to Soundgarden ? I think Kim, Chris and Ben would have laughed their asses off,I could picture Ben saying "Are you fuckin' serious Matt ??"

IMO,King Animal blows away anything PJ have put out since Vitalogy...which begs the question..did the wrong band break up in 1997 ??

KieranU2

12 years

Originally posted by EDDMB:IMO,this is how Vitalogy SHOULD hve been released....

1.Last Exit
2.Corduroy
3.Spin The Black Circle
4.Whipping
5.Satan's Bed
6.Not For You
7.Tremor Christ
8.Better Man
9.Nothingman
10.Immortality

The flow is quite nice,without those 4 awful,PJ trying to be the Beatles doing Revolution #9 nonsense...Stupid Mop??.really Ed ??...this was of course the start of EV's hostile takeover.

It should have been like this:

1. Last Exit
2. Spin the Black Circle
3. Whipping
4. Corduroy
5. Not For You
6. Tremor Christ
7. Nothingman
8. Bugs
9. Satan's Bed
10. Better Man
11. Immortality
12. Stupid Mop

You've got to have some of the strangeness in there. 'Aye Davanita' is crap and 'Pry, To' is pointless. I think the first three songs make it an outrageous introduction to this album.

Nevertheless, it's an astonishing album. Shame its flow isn't magnificent.

EDDMB

12 years

I don't mind strangeness Kieran,but those "songs" are just noise....Stupid Mop is the worst of the lot....when you think Hard To Imagine was passed over for a second time, you have to wonder as to why ?

We know why,this was Vedder trying to be as non commercial as possible..he wanted to seem "artistic",and "trendy"...deaden the sound.....his feelings were hurt by Cobain's mocks....he actually withheld Better Man for years,Brendan O'B had to beg him to include it on Vitalogy....its really a shame,as No Code could have been an epic release,if it was recorded properly.Its too bad Stone and Jeff let him sabotage No Code and Yeild.

clover68

12 years

i love Vitalogy as it is .. i would not change anything at all

EDDMB

12 years

You don't feel the addition of the great Hard to Imagine instead of Pry,To and Stupid Mop would have made Vitalogy a masterpiece ?

Then again,George Martin wanted the White Album to be a single album...so,what do I know....

The recording also suffers from the "demo-like" sound...the loud crispness of Vs and Ten were unfortunately abandoned.The remaster sounds a little bit better,but not much......I hope they do a total makeover of No Code....and include a live show from '96,with as many songs performed live from No Code as possible.

KieranU2

12 years

The remastered sound on Vitalogy is spectacular. It's a huge step-up from the original. In fact, Pearl Jam done well with their remasters.

The original masters of No Code sound dreadful, like you've stated several times before, Ed. It sounds really tinny and muffled to me. A remaster is in need, definitely.

RUMMY

12 years

Originally posted by KieranU2:The remastered sound on Vitalogy is spectacular. It's a huge step-up from the original. In fact, Pearl Jam done well with their remasters.

The original masters of No Code sound dreadful, like you've stated several times before, Ed. It sounds really tinny and muffled to me. A remaster is in need, definitely.

There's a lot of talk (among fans) about a No Code and Yield remaster combo - much like the Vs/Vitalogy one.

Fingers crossed.

clover68

12 years

Originally posted by EDDMB:You don't feel the addition of the great Hard to Imagine instead of Pry,To and Stupid Mop would have made Vitalogy a masterpiece ?

Then again,George Martin wanted the White Album to be a single album...so,what do I know....

The recording also suffers from the "demo-like" sound...the loud crispness of Vs and Ten were unfortunately abandoned.The remaster sounds a little bit better,but not much......I hope they do a total makeover of No Code....and include a live show from '96,with as many songs performed live from No Code as possible.

all the reasons you carry, very understandable of course, lead me to a different point .. the fillers .. the demo-like sound .. i like. for me Vitalogy is already a masterpiece even without Hard to Imagine
it's better than Stupid Mop of course but i love the road it went through.
probably it would have lost that "aura" it has if it was put in an album or played often

(The White Album is my favourite album by the fab four

)

clover68

12 years

Originally posted by RUMMY:[..]

There's a lot of talk (among fans) about a No Code and Yield remaster combo - much like the Vs/Vitalogy one.

Fingers crossed.

it must be in the same way
1990-92 (Ten)
1993-95 (Vs/Vitalogy)
1996-98 (No Code/Yield)

it would ruin my furniture if it won't be the same as the other 2 hehe

clover68

12 years

nevertheless i completely agree with the PJ-SG ranking .. almost

Ten > Ultramega Ok no contest
Vs > Louder Than love no contest
Vitalogy > Badmotorfinger
No Code < Superunknown
Yield <> Down On The Upside
On Two Legs <> I-5
Backspacer < King Animal

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