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  1. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]

    Dylan writes very poetic lyrics poems which have been analyzed and studied for a long time; he also wrote a proper book called Tarantula, similar to Allen Ginsberg's and Jack Kerouak's first books from the mid 60s. It's not like they have awarded Valentino Rossi or something.

    C'mon, Winston Churchill won the Nobel in Literature "for his mastery of historical and biographical description as well as for brilliant oratory in defending exalted human values". THAT is wtf.
    ^^ Exactly my point about the Nobel. Nothing but respect for Dylan, mind you, but maybe a lifetime achievement type of award category for the Nobel is in order?

    I dunno. Just reminds me of that time when Jethro Tull beat out Metallica for best metal album at the Grammys.
  2. He has published something, I give you that. I published something too, doesn't make me a Nobel contender. Still, to give him the award over poets and novelists that have pushed their native language to higher level, experimenting with the prose, the metaphors, the tradition of literature.
    This was just a big f*** you from the Swedish Academy.
  3. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]
    ^^ Exactly my point about the Nobel. Nothing but respect for Dylan, mind you, but maybe a lifetime achievement type of award category for the Nobel is in order?

    I dunno. Just reminds me of that time when Jethro Tull beat out Metallica for best metal album at the Grammys.
    It's not the Oscars where lifetime achievement awards are given, all to cinema-related people. The Nobels have their categories and awards are given accordingly. Many if not MOST of the non-scientifical Nobels have always been awarded to lifetime achievements and not to particular works.
  4. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:He has published something, I give you that. I published something too, doesn't make me a Nobel contender. Still, to give him the award over poets and novelists that have pushed their native language to higher level, experimenting with the prose, the metaphors, the tradition of literature.
    This was just a big f*** you from the Swedish Academy.
    "pushed their native language to higher level, experimenting with the prose, the metaphors, the tradition of literature"


    I think that's exactly what Dylan has been doing for the last 5 decades.
  5. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    "pushed their native language to higher level, experimenting with the prose, the metaphors, the tradition of literature"


    I think that's exactly what Dylan has been doing for the last 5 decades.
    There are countless other writers in the world doing that much better in actual books, not songs.
  6. That point, although I agree with it, is a matter taste - the same taste that it takes to award a prize. So we agree to disagree I think.
  7. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    It's not the Oscars where lifetime achievement awards are given, all to cinema-related people. The Nobels have their categories and awards are given accordingly. Many if not MOST of the non-scientifical Nobels have always been awarded to lifetime achievements and not to particular works.
    Ok. Then in that case, you convinced me.

    But what about Obama's award after being in office only a year?
  8. Peace awards are also for a very specific thing. Malala won the award (and rightly so) at the age of 17. But just like this year, there have been a lot of WTF awards. Obama is one, giving the award to Al Gore for a documentary or to Yasser Arafat for stop killing people are other examples.
  9. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:Peace awards are also for a very specific thing. Malala won the award (and rightly so) at the age of 17. But just like this year, there have been a lot of WTF awards. Obama is one, giving the award to Al Gore for a documentary or to Yasser Arafat for stop killing people are other examples.
    Agreed. (and for the record, I wasn't knocking Obama or his efforts... it was just the timing, almost as if they were giving him a down payment for his future work (much like Santos)
  10. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]
    Agreed. (and for the record, I wasn't knocking Obama or his efforts... it was just the timing, almost as if they were giving him a down payment for his future work (much like Santos)
    And the prize to Obama actually hurt him in Congress.
  11. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ - In what order you want to read or listen them?

    Congratulations to Bob Dylan!

    I think it is fantastic that the Nobel-committee acknowledges that there are great use of language outside the literature we´re accustomed to. That lyrics are as important part of our culture as those that are without music around them. Thinking about Leonard Cohen, Paul Simon etc. It is not important if the words are written on books or cd-sleeves. It is irrelevant whether you read them or hear them.

    I think they´re (Nobel-Committee) looking ahead to the future!

    Great Day!!
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