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  1. Originally posted by Ali709for God's sake...let the woman out....The Junta...the bastards didn't allow aid-workers in after that huge cyclone...what are these people?!!


    Stupid! Heartless! Criminals! Dictators!
  4. That's special, Ali
    Especially now your country (please correct me if i'm wrong) brought out a movie as an answer to Fitna by Wilders. This show is gonna get a lot of more load. Let's hope everything ends up well...
  5. Originally posted by markp91That's special, Ali
    Especially now your country (please correct me if i'm wrong) brought out a movie as an answer to Fitna by Wilders. This show is gonna get a lot of more load. Let's hope everything ends up well...


    Yea, apparently they did...I haven't seen it tho.
    I'm not so high on hopes with this gig...I'm not sure they'll allow him to do it...it will be very interesting if it happens...man, I wish the other four were here too...they could do the Ronnie Drew song!!
  6. Originally posted by Ali709[..]

    Yea, apparently they did...I haven't seen it tho.
    I'm not so high on hopes with this gig...I'm not sure they'll allow him to do it...it will be very interesting if it happens...man, I wish the other four were here too...they could do the Ronnie Drew song!!


    Or WTSHNN! Or their new song...
  7. Surely you have all seen at least once this photograph:



    Well, this photograph was taken by Jeff Widener 19 years ago, on June the 5th 1989. The footage depicted the unarmed man standing in the center of the street, halting the tanks' progress. As the tank driver attempted to go around him, the "tank man" moved into the tank's path. He continued to stand defiantly in front of the tanks for some time, and then climbed up onto the turret of the lead tank to speak to the soldiers inside. He reportedly said, "Why are you here? You have caused nothing but misery." After returning to his position blocking the tanks, the man was pulled aside by onlookers who perhaps feared he would be shot or run over.

    Here’s a little something about the incidents on Tiananmen Square in China
    Tiananmen Square protests of 1989

    The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 culminating in the Tiananmen Square Massacre - referred to in China as the June Fourth Incident to avoid confusion with two other Tiananmen Square protests - were a series of demonstrations led by labor activists, students, and intellectuals in the People's Republic of China (PRC) between April 15 and June 4, 1989. While the protests lacked a unified cause or leadership, participants were generally against the authoritarianism and economic policies of the ruling Chinese Communist Party and voiced calls for democratic reform within the structure of the government. The demonstrations centered on Tiananmen Square in Beijing, but large-scale protests also occurred in cities throughout China, including Shanghai, which stayed peaceful throughout the protests. In Beijing, the resulting military crackdown on the protesters by the PRC government left many civilians dead or injured. The reported tolls ranged from 200–300 (PRC government figures), to 300–800 (The New York Times), and to 2,000–3,000 (Chinese student associations and Chinese Red Cross).
    Following the violence, the government conducted widespread arrests to suppress protesters and their supporters, cracked down on other protests around China, banned the foreign press from the country and strictly controlled coverage of the events in the PRC press. Members of the Party who had publicly sympathized with the protesters were purged, with several high-ranking members placed under house arrest, such as General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. The violent suppression of the Tiananmen Square protest caused widespread international condemnation of the PRC government.
    Nathan, Andrew J. (January/February 2001). The Tiananmen Papers. Foreign Affairs.

    Source: www.wikipedia.com
  8. An amazing moment in history, to see someone that passionate for what they believe in. I stop every time I see it.
  9. iconic. And nobody knows who the guy is. Whether he's dead or alive or imprisoned. Nobody has a clue
  10. All I could find about him was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_man

    Little is publicly known of the man's identity or that of the commander of the lead tank. Shortly after the incident, British tabloid the Sunday Express named the man as Wang Weilin, a 19-year-old student; however, the veracity of this claim is dubious. Numerous rumours have sprung up as to the man's identity and current whereabouts, but none are backed by hard evidence.

    There are several conflicting stories about what happened to him after the demonstration. In a speech to the President's Club in 1999, Bruce Herschensohn — former deputy special assistant to President of the United States Richard Nixon — reported that he was executed 14 days later; other sources say he was killed by firing squad a few months after the Tiananmen Square protests. In Red China Blues: My Long March from Mao to Now, Jan Wong writes that the man is still alive and is hiding in mainland China.


    So nobody really knows where he is at this stage.
  11. posted by haytrain (Member) on 2008-06-05 11:36 pm quote

    "This really belongs in the political forum, but I can list something [Obama] did that very few people in government did:

    Appose the war in Iraq.



    And this clip is a great reason why no one watches MSNBC. "

    True, I myself don't watch MSNBC. I'm a fan of Fox News, where I found this


    and this
    .

    Important to note: "Do any of you notice a significant policy difference between Hillary and Obama?" (answer: no)

    There are plenty in the government who oppose Iraq. I think Obama is hardly alone when it comes to that. When you say that I don't know if you mean he opposes it as a politician or if he voted against something pertaining to it; if it was the latter, voting as a Senator is not an accomplishment. It's part of the job. If it was the former, having an opinion is not an accomplishment.
  12. I really don't have the energy to get into a huge political discussion, but let me just try and clarify a little bit what I was trying to say in my original post:

    I was trying to say that Obama was one of the few senators who stood up against the invasion in Iraq from the very beginning It's pretty popular now to come out against the war, but check the record, he was against it from the beginning. I wish more people would have done the same, since it has turned out that the American people were misled by the current administration as to what we were doing there, what was allegedly there, etc.

    I think the clips you posted from FoxNews are even more appalling than the MSNBC ones because the hijacking of the questioning and the way the interviewer all but dismisses any response given as to Sen. Obama's accomplishments. You can't expect random voters during primary exit polls to be completely familiar with the voting histories and parliamentary positions of each candidate. These are the primaries. People are voting with their gut. As the candidates get chiseled out on the campaign trail, you inform yourself and make the best decision with what's available.

    To each his own....
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