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  1. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

    In the case of Seth Lover humbuckers, the ARE as good as the real stuff; he invented the feckers.



    And in the case of many other 'replacement' pickups I mentioned (and others I could), they are better than some original. They are certainly far superior to stock Epiphone pickups.

    Ahaha

    *at this point, Jeff is still following his "Seth Lover humbuckers rock my socks" line of approach, and refuses to drop it*

    I do agree with you, must be said
  2. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

    In the case of Seth Lover humbuckers, the ARE as good as the real stuff; he invented the feckers.



    And in the case of many other 'replacement' pickups I mentioned (and others I could), they are better than some original. They are certainly far superior to stock Epiphone pickups.


    How do you define better in music?
  3. Originally posted by thechicken[..]

    How do you define better in music?


    Better in music? I never said. Better in pickups? I have.

    The sound of stock Epiphone pickups are not as 'desireable' to me, most that I have met and the majority of those I have come across in my 41 years of life. The tone and musicality of Epiphone stock pickups, are not as musical or sonically desireable to those of Gibson stock pickups, vintage PAFs, T-Tops, Burstbuckers and the previously mentioned replacement pickups.

    If you like your stock pickups, go for it.
  4. Originally posted by thechicken[..]

    Recreations are not real vintage stuff. And "sound better" is a matter of opinion. Just my opinions.


    Ugh.

    Seems you've missed my initial point. But that's okay.

    No one said that 'recreations' are the 'real stuff'. NO ONE.

    What was said was that there are a great number of pickups that will make an stock Epiphone Les Paul, for instance, sound better, less shrill, less SHIT and more like the more desireble tones of say... 1958-1960 Les Paul.

    What was also asked was that were in Edge's Les Paul's. I mentioned that after getting a good look at them... it appeared they were stock T-Tops. I also mentioned that I had heard that Dallas many of Edge's guitars have had the bridge pickup's rewound. I also pointed out that if Edge had done this to his 1975 it certainly didn't hurt it, as it sounded great. AND it wasn't like he defiled the guitar.

    But... whatever.
  5. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

    Ugh.

    Seems you've missed my initial point. But that's okay.

    No one said that 'recreations' are the 'real stuff'. NO ONE.

    What was said was that there are a great number of pickups that will make an stock Epiphone Les Paul, for instance, sound better, less shrill, less SHIT and more like the more desireble tones of say... 1958-1960 Les Paul.

    What was also asked was that were in Edge's Les Paul's. I mentioned that after getting a good look at them... it appeared they were stock T-Tops. I also mentioned that I had heard that Dallas many of Edge's guitars have had the bridge pickup's rewound. I also pointed out that if Edge had done this to his 1975 it certainly didn't hurt it, as it sounded great. AND it wasn't like he defiled the guitar.

    But... whatever.


    jesus, you guys are getting Strat all riled up! I totally get what you mean man, I'll look into the ones you mentioned. It seems like a lot of people over-reacted about the whole vintage to new thing. I totally knew what you were talking about. Haha. This whole thing started about me asking what pickups to get to make it sound like Edge, and it got into an argument about how a vintage guitar shouldn't be getting new pickups or different ones because it wouldn't be vintage. Talk about a misunderstanding!
  6. Oh I'm not so riled. Although I did just shell out 650.00 in car repairs! (Good guitar money gone! Meh!)

    I did try to clarify some points... but anywho...

  7. It seems it isn't the pickup alone that makes The Edge sound like The Edge. Bono has said that he's played Edge's guitar through Edge's rig and sounded shit.

    That said, Edge used to play New Years Day on a Strat. Yet for the last 3+ tours it's been played with a Les Paul. It sounds good with both.

    The same can be said of Bullet The Blue Sky. "Traditionally" he's used a Stratocaster. During PopMart, he used the 30th Anniversary Gibson Les Paul goldtop. Was the tone different? Some. But he's constantly experimenting and tones chance a bit tour to tour and from the beginning to ending of a tour anyway... So the difference between his using the Strat and the 20th Anniv LP goldtop are about as much as his amp/effects setting from one tour to the next.

    Another reason why there is a bit less difference is that Edge has experiemented with non-stock bridge pickups in his Stratocasters in the past. He's also had many custom wound to be a bit 'hotter' and closer to that of a humbucker.

    Guitar tone can be subjective, as one person pointed out, to SOME extent. In that, one can get decent tones from various guitars, effects and amps. But tone starts with the player. Tone starts with your hands.

    So what do you need for 'good' tone? Start with practicing and getting your technique and feel down. A decent guitar and a decent amp will accentuate the positive aspects of your practice. By that, I don't mean practicing scales or playing fast. Get your timing, vibrato and playing clean down. Sounds 'goofy' but "be one with the guitar". That is the first element.

    I remember a survey once... What is The Edge's most important piece of equipment. Some mentioned various guitars, some mentioned his main Vox AC30, some mentioned his racks of effects and one even mentioned Dallas Schoo organizing all of it! Not bad choices. But the two most important pieces of The Edge's gear are:
    1) His hand and touch on the instrument.
    2) His imagination.

  8. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979It seems it isn't the pickup alone that makes The Edge sound like The Edge. Bono has said that he's played Edge's guitar through Edge's rig and sounded shit.

    That said, Edge used to play New Years Day on a Strat. Yet for the last 3+ tours it's been played with a Les Paul. It sounds good with both.

    The same can be said of Bullet The Blue Sky. "Traditionally" he's used a Stratocaster. During PopMart, he used the 30th Anniversary Gibson Les Paul goldtop. Was the tone different? Some. But he's constantly experimenting and tones chance a bit tour to tour and from the beginning to ending of a tour anyway... So the difference between his using the Strat and the 20th Anniv LP goldtop are about as much as his amp/effects setting from one tour to the next.

    Another reason why there is a bit less difference is that Edge has experiemented with non-stock bridge pickups in his Stratocasters in the past. He's also had many custom wound to be a bit 'hotter' and closer to that of a humbucker.

    Guitar tone can be subjective, as one person pointed out, to SOME extent. In that, one can get decent tones from various guitars, effects and amps. But tone starts with the player. Tone starts with your hands.

    So what do you need for 'good' tone? Start with practicing and getting your technique and feel down. A decent guitar and a decent amp will accentuate the positive aspects of your practice. By that, I don't mean practicing scales or playing fast. Get your timing, vibrato and playing clean down. Sounds 'goofy' but "be one with the guitar". That is the first element.

    I remember a survey once... What is The Edge's most important piece of equipment. Some mentioned various guitars, some mentioned his main Vox AC30, some mentioned his racks of effects and one even mentioned Dallas Schoo organizing all of it! Not bad choices. But the two most important pieces of The Edge's gear are:
    1) His hand and touch on the instrument.
    2) His imagination.




    Ooooooooh, I like that ending bit! But yea I totally know what you mean. I probably do spend more time researching gear, and looking at things I want to buy than I do actually practicing my guitar. That sounds bad actually. It's not like I play very little, I probably play at least 5 hours total on most days, or something. I just research gear whenever I'm bored. But I did just recently start playing John Mayer, so that should boost my technique (if I can actually get the songs down, they're HARD)
  9. Trust me, I've been guilty of the... if I just had THIS guitar or THAT effect... my tone would be SOOOO much better.

    Effects enhance tone. If your tone is bad to begin with... you're merely putting lipstick on a pig.

  10. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

    Better in music? I never said. Better in pickups? I have.

    The sound of stock Epiphone pickups are not as 'desireable' to me, most that I have met and the majority of those I have come across in my 41 years of life. The tone and musicality of Epiphone stock pickups, are not as musical or sonically desireable to those of Gibson stock pickups, vintage PAFs, T-Tops, Burstbuckers and the previously mentioned replacement pickups.

    If you like your stock pickups, go for it.


    That is all I said...you can not say that something is better if by better you mean your preferences.
  11. When did Ege get wireless connections for his guitars? I know he was wireless by midway through the JT tour.
  12. Originally posted by thechicken[..]

    That is all I said...you can not say that something is better if by better you mean your preferences.


    Not only by my preference but by the preferences of the many guitarists I've met over time AND by most books and magazines that I've read on the subject.

    Hence, it is not merely my opinion but that I have found to be an overwhelming general consensus.



    SO yeah, I can say it by my preference when the majority of the musicians I know, have met, dealers I spoke to and materials I've read tend to support my preference.
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