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  1. Originally posted by JohnnyVOXX:[..]

    Hey Juraj!!
    I have noticed..... this claim between Ukraine and Russia isn't it?? I've been reading about it, but I've been way too busy to comment.... I even wanted to comment a little more on the issues on GAZA.... but I've been really up to my head of work in the office....
    on the GAS matter.... it's very very scary, I really don't know how things are working out, but it's been a very harsh winter so far, and if people don't have gas to warm up then it's going to be a very very BIG problem....
    I really don't know what the real claim between Russia and UKRAINE is about, I'll have to dig a little bit more....




    Yesterday we got only 30% of the gas that daily comes here and today no gas came. The bad thing is that it's been getting really cold these days and the country needs much more gas than its own rescources can provide. So if there's no solution for the situation soon, our asses will freeze. And now I'm not kidding.

    And another problem here is that almost all generators which produce electricity need gas to be run.
  2. Originally posted by yuri31:[..]

    Yesterday we got only 30% of the gas that daily comes here and today no gas came. The bad thing is that it's been getting really cold these days and the country needs much more gas than its own rescources can provide. So if there's no solution for the situation soon, our asses will freeze. And now I'm not kidding.

    And another problem here is that almost all generators which produce electricity need gas to be run.


    I'm not sure if we are in trouble, but having no gas this time of the year is horrible, especially in cold Central Europe
    But I wouldn't worry to much: there is no reason for Russia to close the gas lines to Europe: Ukraine is the only country with a problem
  3. Originally posted by markp91:[..]
    But I wouldn't worry to much: there is no reason for Russia to close the gas lines to Europe: Ukraine is the only country with a problem


    Most of the gas pipelines from Russia to central Europe cross the Ukraine, so if they shut off the supply, the pipelines through Belarus and Poland (which can't transport as much) are the only way to get gas from Russia.
    Ukraine is far from being the only country to worry.
    But I think that issue is gonna be solved soon. In the meantime there's still gas from Holland and Norway as well as the mentioned "Northern route"
  4. Originally posted by yeah:[..]

    Most of the gas pipelines from Russia to central Europe cross the Ukraine, so if they shut off the supply, the pipelines through Belarus and Poland (which can't transport as much) are the only way to get gas from Russia.
    Ukraine is far from being the only country to worry.
    But I think that issue is gonna be solved soon. In the meantime there's still gas from Holland and Norway as well as the mentioned "Northern route"


    Oh yeah, It all goes through Ukraine
    But it was just a gas bill they didn't pay, right? Doesn't seem a too big problem to me...Altough you never know of course...
  5. I found this interesting opinion piece by none other than Eno himself, on the current situation in Gaza.
    Certainly worth a read.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/eno01022009.html

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    An Experiment in Provocation

    Stealing Gaza

    By BRIAN ENO
    January 2009

    It's a tragedy that the Israelis - a people who must understand better than almost anybody the horrors of oppression - are now acting as oppressors. As the great Jewish writer Primo Levi once remarked "Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it's the Palestinians". By creating a middle Eastern version of the Warsaw ghetto they are recapitulating their own history as though they've forgotten it. And by trying to paint an equivalence between the Palestinians - with their homemade rockets and stone-throwing teenagers - and themselves - with one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world - they sacrifice all credibility.

    The Israelis are a gifted and resourceful people who fully deserve the right to live in peace, but who seem intent on squandering every chance to allow that to happen. It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that this conflict serves the political and economic purposes of Israel so well that they have every interest in maintaining it. While there is fighting they can continue to build illegal settlements. While there is fighting they continue to receive huge quantities of military aid from the United States. And while there is fighting they can avoid looking candidly at themselves and the ruthlessness into which they are descending.

    Gaza is now an experiment in provocation. Stuff one and a half million people into a tiny space, stifle their access to water, electricity, food and medical treatment, destroy their livelihoods, and humiliate them regularly...and, surprise, surprise - they turn hostile. Now why would you want to make that experiment?

    Because the hostility you provoke is the whole point. Now 'under attack' you can cast yourself as the victim, and call out the helicopter gunships and the F16 attack fighters and the heavy tanks and the guided missiles, and destroy yet more of the pathetic remains of infrastructure that the Palestinian state still has left. And then you can point to it as a hopeless case, unfit to govern itself, a terrorist state, a state with which you couldn't possibly reach an accommodation.

    And then you can carry on with business as usual, quietly stealing their homeland.

    Brian Eno is a musician and music producer.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
  6. Originally posted by vanquish:I found this interesting opinion piece by none other than Eno himself, on the current situation in Gaza.
    Certainly worth a read.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/eno01022009.html

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    An Experiment in Provocation

    Stealing Gaza

    By BRIAN ENO
    January 2009

    It's a tragedy that the Israelis - a people who must understand better than almost anybody the horrors of oppression - are now acting as oppressors. As the great Jewish writer Primo Levi once remarked "Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it's the Palestinians". By creating a middle Eastern version of the Warsaw ghetto they are recapitulating their own history as though they've forgotten it. And by trying to paint an equivalence between the Palestinians - with their homemade rockets and stone-throwing teenagers - and themselves - with one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world - they sacrifice all credibility.

    The Israelis are a gifted and resourceful people who fully deserve the right to live in peace, but who seem intent on squandering every chance to allow that to happen. It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that this conflict serves the political and economic purposes of Israel so well that they have every interest in maintaining it. While there is fighting they can continue to build illegal settlements. While there is fighting they continue to receive huge quantities of military aid from the United States. And while there is fighting they can avoid looking candidly at themselves and the ruthlessness into which they are descending.

    Gaza is now an experiment in provocation. Stuff one and a half million people into a tiny space, stifle their access to water, electricity, food and medical treatment, destroy their livelihoods, and humiliate them regularly...and, surprise, surprise - they turn hostile. Now why would you want to make that experiment?

    Because the hostility you provoke is the whole point. Now 'under attack' you can cast yourself as the victim, and call out the helicopter gunships and the F16 attack fighters and the heavy tanks and the guided missiles, and destroy yet more of the pathetic remains of infrastructure that the Palestinian state still has left. And then you can point to it as a hopeless case, unfit to govern itself, a terrorist state, a state with which you couldn't possibly reach an accommodation.

    And then you can carry on with business as usual, quietly stealing their homeland.

    Brian Eno is a musician and music producer.
    -------------------------------------------------------------


    Thanks for this
  7. Originally posted by vanquish:I found this interesting opinion piece by none other than Eno himself, on the current situation in Gaza.
    Certainly worth a read.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/eno01022009.html

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    An Experiment in Provocation

    Stealing Gaza

    By BRIAN ENO
    January 2009

    It's a tragedy that the Israelis - a people who must understand better than almost anybody the horrors of oppression - are now acting as oppressors. As the great Jewish writer Primo Levi once remarked "Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it's the Palestinians". By creating a middle Eastern version of the Warsaw ghetto they are recapitulating their own history as though they've forgotten it. And by trying to paint an equivalence between the Palestinians - with their homemade rockets and stone-throwing teenagers - and themselves - with one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world - they sacrifice all credibility.

    The Israelis are a gifted and resourceful people who fully deserve the right to live in peace, but who seem intent on squandering every chance to allow that to happen. It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that this conflict serves the political and economic purposes of Israel so well that they have every interest in maintaining it. While there is fighting they can continue to build illegal settlements. While there is fighting they continue to receive huge quantities of military aid from the United States. And while there is fighting they can avoid looking candidly at themselves and the ruthlessness into which they are descending.

    Gaza is now an experiment in provocation. Stuff one and a half million people into a tiny space, stifle their access to water, electricity, food and medical treatment, destroy their livelihoods, and humiliate them regularly...and, surprise, surprise - they turn hostile. Now why would you want to make that experiment?

    Because the hostility you provoke is the whole point. Now 'under attack' you can cast yourself as the victim, and call out the helicopter gunships and the F16 attack fighters and the heavy tanks and the guided missiles, and destroy yet more of the pathetic remains of infrastructure that the Palestinian state still has left. And then you can point to it as a hopeless case, unfit to govern itself, a terrorist state, a state with which you couldn't possibly reach an accommodation.

    And then you can carry on with business as usual, quietly stealing their homeland.

    Brian Eno is a musician and music producer.
    -------------------------------------------------------------


    He's such a great mind!


  10. I saw an interesting article about your country today....a soccer game of men vs. women and now people have been fined and suspended for taking part?
  12. 'And a fucked up world it is too'
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