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  2. I don't think that they will re-do Pop entirely.

    If they did, it would be a remaster of the original album being one disc and a alternate re-recorded mix being the second.

    When they do a remaster of Pop... I do hope that the 2nd disc is of either re-done songs, alternate versions (some demos, perhaps) or unreleased (the most desireable) songs and not the "Best of" re-recordings OR the DJ remixes.

    Time will tell.
  3. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979:I don't think that they will re-do Pop entirely.

    If they did, it would be a remaster of the original album being one disc and a alternate re-recorded mix being the second.

    When they do a remaster of Pop... I do hope that the 2nd disc is of either re-done songs, alternate versions (some demos, perhaps) or unreleased (the most desireable) songs and not the "Best of" re-recordings OR the DJ remixes.

    Time will tell.


    If you remember, Bono says Hymn To The Universe was probably the better Playboy Mansion. So there's a real strong possibility we'll see that one. Although if there are DJ mixes and 'Best of' recordings, would that be worth it, considering we saw those in 2002?
  4. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979:I don't think that they will re-do Pop entirely.

    If they did, it would be a remaster of the original album being one disc and a alternate re-recorded mix being the second.

    When they do a remaster of Pop... I do hope that the 2nd disc is of either re-done songs, alternate versions (some demos, perhaps) or unreleased (the most desireable) songs and not the "Best of" re-recordings OR the DJ remixes.

    Time will tell.


    sounds good to me
  5. Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]

    If you remember, Bono says Hymn To The Universe was probably the better Playboy Mansion. So there's a real strong possibility we'll see that one. Although if there are DJ mixes and 'Best of' recordings, would that be worth it, considering we saw those in 2002?


    Probably:
    Discotheque (New Mix)
    SATS (new Mix)
    Gone (new mix)
    Holy Joe
    Hymn To The Universe
    Mofo (some remix)
    If God Will Send His Angels (single mix)
    Some other B-sides and unrelesed songs

    Live:
    Miami - BTBS - Please (Leeds?)
    Last Night On Earth (- UTEOTW?)
    Mofo - I Will Follow
    Gone
    Discotheque - Velvet Dress

    I'd buy this
  6. Originally posted by anstratdubh1979:I don't think that they will re-do Pop entirely.

    If they did, it would be a remaster of the original album being one disc and a alternate re-recorded mix being the second.

    When they do a remaster of Pop... I do hope that the 2nd disc is of either re-done songs, alternate versions (some demos, perhaps) or unreleased (the most desireable) songs and not the "Best of" re-recordings OR the DJ remixes.

    Time will tell.


    i like that , but is there a remaster to an album wich already released on a CD?
  7. Right now we're in the middle of what's called the "Loudness War" - which affects mastering, not mixing. Don't mix up "mastering" and "mixing".

    "Mixing" means that you join and merge the multiple tracks and their assorted track effects into a stereo track which can be called "rough mix", "final mix" or "pre-master". "Mastering" means that you then use multi- band dynamics compression, master reverb, master eq and limiting on the pre- master stereo track.

    Most pop and rock artists and producers try nowadays to master their recordings to the loudest possible volume. They use much harder dynamics compression and limiting than ten years ago. The main reason is that if you compare music louder almost always sounds better on the first few spins (i.e. on the radio). Some producers and audiophiles criticize that loudness competition. Google will give you quite an insight.

    When an old CD gets re- released the record company usually has a remastering done to adjust the dynamics to what's popular right now - because the listeners want to compare it to their newly recorded CDs without volume drop. I know of some 80's CDs that have already been remastered twice: Once in the nineties, once in the new century.

    For example: There's a comparison of the original version and the remastered version of JT floating somewhere on the internet. The result was predictable - the remaster is harder compressed and therefore sounds much louder.

    This is not a remixing. A remixing would be to go back to the multi- track recording and readjust the volume and effects of the single tracks before joining / merging them into a new pre- master stereo track (which still would be up to final mastering).

    A re- recording would be even more difficult. This would mean to go back to the multi- track recording and replace some (or all) of the original single tracks with newly recorded ones.

    U2 have already been remastering JT and re- releasing it with a couple of bonus tracks - so it can be assumed that the whole U2 catalog will get a remastering during the next years.

    The single versions of POP have been partly re- recorded. A remix of some POP tracks has been done on Best of 1990-2000. The chances seem good that there's gonna be a remastering of the POP album someday. But IMHO the chances for another remix or a rerecording of the complete POP album by U2 themselves are zero zero.

    There might be some slim chances that some producer will be allowed to use the original multi- track recording and to partly re- record and remix it with other musicians under license. That's how official remix versions of singles are usually done - but these go mainly deeper into the dance music- direction, so I don't have that much interest in them. I want to hear a rock version of POP. I want to hear MOFO played Vertigo- style (though I know that might never happen).

    Alex
  8. Originally posted by Alex:Right now we're in the middle of what's called the "Loudness War" - which affects mastering, not mixing. Don't mix up "mastering" and "mixing".

    "Mixing" means that you join and merge the multiple tracks and their assorted track effects into a stereo track which can be called "rough mix", "final mix" or "pre-master". "Mastering" means that you then use multi- band dynamics compression, master reverb, master eq and limiting on the pre- master stereo track.

    Most pop and rock artists and producers try nowadays to master their recordings to the loudest possible volume. They use much harder dynamics compression and limiting than ten years ago. The main reason is that if you compare music louder almost always sounds better on the first few spins (i.e. on the radio). Some producers and audiophiles criticize that loudness competition. Google will give you quite an insight.

    When an old CD gets re- released the record company usually has a remastering done to adjust the dynamics to what's popular right now - because the listeners want to compare it to their newly recorded CDs without volume drop. I know of some 80's CDs that have already been remastered twice: Once in the nineties, once in the new century.

    For example: There's a comparison of the original version and the remastered version of JT floating somewhere on the internet. The result was predictable - the remaster is harder compressed and therefore sounds much louder.

    This is not a remixing. A remixing would be to go back to the multi- track recording and readjust the volume and effects of the single tracks before joining / merging them into a new pre- master stereo track (which still would be up to final mastering).

    A re- recording would be even more difficult. This would mean to go back to the multi- track recording and replace some (or all) of the original single tracks with newly recorded ones.

    U2 have already been remastering JT and re- releasing it with a couple of bonus tracks - so it can be assumed that the whole U2 catalog will get a remastering during the next years.

    The single versions of POP have been partly re- recorded. A remix of some POP tracks has been done on Best of 1990-2000. The chances seem good that there's gonna be a remastering of the POP album someday. But IMHO the chances for another remix or a rerecording of the complete POP album by U2 themselves are zero zero.

    There might be some slim chances that some producer will be allowed to use the original multi- track recording and to partly re- record and remix it with other musicians under license. That's how official remix versions of singles are usually done - but these go mainly deeper into the dance music- direction, so I don't have that much interest in them. I want to hear a rock version of POP. I want to hear MOFO played Vertigo- style (though I know that might never happen).

    Alex


    Thanks for the information , really cleared me
  9. That's some great info there, and should clear up any confusion between the two terms. Thanks Alex! So you know about how bad Californication by the Chili Peppers was?
  10. Yes, Rick Rubin produced it. His new product is "Death Magnetic" by Metallica - and the officially released CD version is said to be mastered up to the point of digital clipping. He also produced Johnny Cash's "Hurt" which clips definitely.

    Rubin might be a great sonic reducer, but IMHO his mastering opinions are way too extreme.

    Alex


  11. Good story You can see it for your self if you open a track in an audioeditor. There is a lot of clipping and the amplitude seems to be nearly constant. So that means little dynamics and loss of quality due to the clipping.

    Should be illegal to master cd's this way. We have volume control anyway
  12. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    Good story You can see it for your self if you open a track in an audioeditor. There is a lot of clipping and the amplitude seems to be nearly constant. So that means little dynamics and loss of quality due to the clipping.

    Should be illegal to master cd's this way. We have volume control anyway



    Those sorts of mastering jobs give me a headache and make we want to throw up.



    Originally posted by Alex:Yes, Rick Rubin produced it. His new product is "Death Magnetic" by Metallica - and the officially released CD version is said to be mastered up to the point of digital clipping. He also produced Johnny Cash's "Hurt" which clips definitely.

    Rubin might be a great sonic reducer, but IMHO his mastering opinions are way too extreme.

    Alex


    I didn't know about ''Hurt'', but I know Death Magnetic is being called upon to have it re-released at normal volume. About the RHCP, Stadium Arcadium and Californication, both were produced by Rubin and are two very loudly-mastered albums.

    Just think, this is the guy that was to produce U2's next album. Eno knows all about dynamics - he was one of the pioneers of it all those years ago with the Ambient and the Music series. Why is there a need? Because the producers think people love it loud. Well yeah we do, but not to the point where it clips.
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