1. Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

    That would be interesting.
    I think Mr Sarcastic is not quite as negative as he thinks he is, he talks like the ever sarcastic critic, but when the album comes out he ends up loving absolutely everything, just like an Interferencer.


    You're right. I instantly fell in love with this album. It even tops October, TUF and HTDAAB on my list. It's due to this record that I finally discovered the beauty of other songs and I'm on my knees praying for a 2nd encore that consists of Kite, Crumbs and Window in the skies on the next tour. I also hope that Bono talks about Africa a little longer and meets up with more politicians, lobbyists and the pope since this is the only way to fight poverty.
    And what a, handsome goodlooking guy he is.

    On a serious note: I know it's hard to identify grey when you live in a black and white world, but I'd suggest you try it. It'll open up a new horizon to you...

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    As for haytrains's question about my review, I left a few thoughts here and there but I'll just throw them together:

    Having listened to the album several times now, my first impression is that it is neither the "3rd masterpiece" nor the radical, innovative shift they promised.
    It is a good album with a good number of very good/great tracks, no doubt. There are also some downers, no doubt. All in all - and I'll mention again that this is based on a first impression- this seems to be the band's best album of the 00's.
    It's main advantage is that it (partly) gets me emotionally and even more important, it calls on my imagination. Something I missed so much since Pop... It brings up images in my mind and allows me to dream. And that's more than I expected.

    That said, taking a different perspective I can easily understand if people don't like the record.
    It has a lot of pompous and solemn sounds. Eno using his smoothing iron on virtually all songs can give you the impression that you're listening to one long midtempo song. The doubled vocals everywhere and Edge often dominating with his falsetto can surely distract the listener. The bad mastering might make you shake your head - as well as some lyrics that seem to be working great on a T-Shirt but not on a song.

    It's just a matter of taste and priorities - and to me this album has more ups than downs.



    Some thoughts about the tracks:

    No Line
    Did they inverse the channels for the guitar in the chorus?
    I like this one a little better than the alternate version. Starts massive, than Edge is cutting the wall of sound into pieces. Bono too high. Everything else has been said.
    First rating: 8/10

    Magnificent
    Hm, somehow this one didn't really get me yet. I can see it as a live darling but there's something that I don't really like on this song. Don't know if it's the "streets" part, the oh oh ohs or something else I can't put my finger on. The chorus sounds okay - if you don't care about lyrics, but the verses are something I could easily picture as Israels contribution to this year's "Eurovision Song Contest" - sung by a drag queen.
    First rating: 6/10.

    MOS
    Very good, melodic and dreamy track - got me instantly. I can even live with the higher parts and the oh ohs. Shot straight into my heart. Bono's passionate vocals are in great contrast with the relaxed music. Love his breaking voice in the "wedding day".
    Small minus: Edge's solo could be longer - has the potential to beat R.E.M.'s Country Feedback
    First rating 9/10 - 10/10 if you add the Tony Christie bonus
    Don't play it live.

    UC
    One of my least favourites of the album - that intro until after "sunshine" hangs loose in the air to me. Then Walk On II starts- which wouldn't be a bad thing is they kept it that way. But instead the first verse starts with some of the best and most emotional U2 delivered since a long time - which would be good if they kept it that way. Instead Walk On II continues with a hired marching band that sings staccato...
    First rating: 5/10 - huge potential but ruined for me so far. Has the potential to climb to an 8 or so once I learned to like the black sea cossacks' choir and the brass band before Edge's solo.
    Anyone else thinks the 'Linear' cover might refer to this one?

    Crazy
    They probably threw this one together in 5 minutes. To me this sounds like a leftover from ATYCLB.
    It certainly would have been one of the highlights on it. Very catchy, very poppy, lyrically on the border to idiocy but I decided to ignore that, lean back and sway rhythmically to it.
    First rating: 8/10 - with the potential to become my most hated song of the album.

    Boots
    All has been said about this one. Doesn't fit on the album.
    5/10 maybe.

    SUC
    Contender for the worst track on the album. A good guitar riff leads you to nothing when the rest of the song can't keep up with it. Awful high voice from Bono in the "chorus", terrible high voice from Bono mixed in here and there (check the helping god across the road part), bad lyrics.
    First rating: 3/10

    Fez/Being Born
    Fez? Well if you need a little background music in your elevator - this is it. Kicking Boots from my playlist adds to Fez, though.
    Being Born is a different story - The Ocean mixed with The Unforgettable Fire, Walk On and a motorcyle . Doesn't work you say? Works perfectly I say. When Bono starts his ooooooh, I get goosebumps. This is the song for everyone who spent quite some time abroad, far away from home, from the people and places you love. Reminds of coming home - and also of the feeling I have when the plane lands on Antananarivo airport.
    Fez - no rating
    Being Born: First rating: 10/10.

    WAS
    Once more, I don't get the sense of the intro yet, hangs loose from the rest...
    That said, what follows is a very fragile song that climbs up to something that, due to lack of words, I would describe as Venetian Opera before going back down - makes my mind wandering around and makes me feel like I need to call my brother. Also reminds me of my time in the army - lying in the dirt in the freezing cold...
    Somehow Springsteen-like.
    First rating: 8/10
    Don't play it live.

    Breathe
    A little like with Magnificent, there's something I don't like about this track. Lyrically it gets downhill after the first verse, Bono's voice a little too high for me again. Musically the highlight is probably Edge's solo. Another potential live hit.
    First rating 7/10. Maybe a 6 now.

    Cedars
    Now that is THE highlight of the album for me. There isn't much to say about it - Just switch out the light, lean back and let it get you. Bono gets me like he rarely did - imho the best lyrics in a long long time.
    First rating: 11/10
    Don't play it live.

    All in all, if I had to put the album into the album table it would be #5.
    Proper judgement will follow next year.

    And finally: IMHO. Sorry for the long post.
  2. Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]

    You learn from your mistakes - get up and give it another go. It's great to have someone here who is able to be a fan of the band, yet be able to criticize them (in a fair way) at the same time. I second to see his thoughts on the record as a whole. And if you ask him to honestly tell you what he thinks, that's what you'll get.


    well, there is nothing wrong with criticism, surely not. And speaking your mind honestly is a good thing. but...

    Originally posted by yeah:[..]
    On a serious note: I know it's hard to identify grey when you live in a black and white world, but I'd suggest you try it. It'll open up a new horizon to you...


    ... judging others like that is not so nice, is it. No offence, just my thoughts when I re-read all the comments posted here lately
  3. awesome they did it again
  4. Rumoured Linear Tracklist:

    01. Unknown Caller
    02. Breathe
    03. Winter
    04. White As Snow
    05. No Line On The Horizon
    06. Fez-Being Born
    07. Magnificent
    08. Stand Up Comedy
    09. Get On Your Boots
    10. Moment Of Surrender
    11. Cedars Of Lebanon
  5. Originally posted by yeah:Rumoured Linear Tracklist:

    01. Unknown Caller
    02. Breathe
    03. Winter
    04. White As Snow
    05. No Line On The Horizon
    06. Fez-Being Born
    07. Magnificent
    08. Stand Up Comedy
    09. Get On Your Boots
    10. Moment Of Surrender
    11. Cedars Of Lebanon


    hmm...wasn't it supposed to be around 14 songs? with some extra ones...?

  6. Thanks, yeah....an interesting read. Disagree with you on a few songs, but I think we're in the same boat as far as the overall sense of the album. I'd rank it in the #5-#7 range when compared to their other albums


  7. Yep, 14 - 3 of them instrumentals. Maybe they just aren't listed, have no titles,...
  8. Originally posted by yeah:Rumoured Linear Tracklist:

    01. Unknown Caller
    02. Breathe
    03. Winter
    04. White As Snow
    05. No Line On The Horizon
    06. Fez-Being Born
    07. Magnificent
    08. Stand Up Comedy
    09. Get On Your Boots
    10. Moment Of Surrender
    11. Cedars Of Lebanon


    Interesting to hear Winter. Surprised Every Breaking Wave isn't on there. Thought it might be. And no Crazy.
  9. Song Credits:
    NLOTH, MOS, FEZ-BB und COL - Music: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Lyrics: Bono

    Magnificent - Music: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Lyrics: Bono& Edge

    UC - Music and Lyrics: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois

    Crazy, Boots, Stand up, Breathe - Music: U2, Lyrics: Bono

    WAS - Lyrics by U2 with Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Music: Traditional, arrangement by U2 with Brian Eno and Danny Lanois
  10. Originally posted by yeah:Song Credits:
    NLOTH, MOS, FEZ-BB und COL - Music: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Lyrics: Bono

    Magnificent - Music: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Lyrics: Bono& Edge

    UC - Music and Lyrics: U2, Brian Eno and Danny Lanois

    Crazy, Boots, Stand up, Breathe - Music: U2, Lyrics: Bono

    WAS - Lyrics by U2 with Brian Eno and Danny Lanois, Music: Traditional, arrangement by U2 with Brian Eno and Danny Lanois


    That must be the Oh Come Emmanuel that Jeremy was on about?
  11. I wrote my own review, kinda borrows alot of peoples ideas that have already been said with alot of my own takes. Apoligize for how obscenely long it is..Appreciate any corrections of misstatements of fact.

    First of I’d like to thank my friends at that Australian music site for giving me the opportunity to listen to U2 on my computer pre physical release. Your screw up is my bliss.
    First let me preface by saying that my favorite era of u2 music is the sonic exploration present on Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, although I don't like Pop as much as the first two. While i also loved the back to basics approach of All That You Can't Leave Behind and the hard rock kick of How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, going into this album i was hoping for and ready for a return to the sonic exploration. What we have hear however for me is something that is even bigger than the 90's. To me this album seems like it is a combination of what we love about U2. In addition to strong elements of sound present throughout this whole album that have Brian Eno's fingerprints all over them, it combines some of the gospel anthem elements of the joshua tree with some of the sheer bliss of All that You Can't Leave Behind. Perhaps the greatest strength of this album is that it is a complete album rather than a collection of songs like the last two albums seemed to be. I think this was the album they needed to make at this time and is the perfect next step for U2 in their career.

    No Line on the Horizon:

    Title track kicks it off with atmospheric ambiance that reminds me of the unforgettable fire. A significant improvement on the remix version, while still raw and emotional Bono's voice sounds like it is under more control than the first version. Personal favorite part: the middle bridge of the song with the ohhs and the song's in your head, love the presence of larry's drumming. 8/10

    Magnificent:

    A U2 anthem for years and concerts to come. A great intro builds up into one of the Edge's best riffs on the album. The chorus in this song is also strong. There's just not much to say about this song, the only bad thing about it is that it has to end. Personal Favorite Part: Justified until we die you and i will magnify the magnificent...MAGNIFICENT! 10/10

    Moment of Surrender:

    Hyped as the best song U2 has ever written this song falls short of that lofty aim but is still worthy of comparisons to classic U2 songs like With or Without You and One. A 7 minute ballad which see's Bono singing from the heart with a passion that reminds one of the Joshua Tree days. The lyrics in particular are what stands out on this song, with religious references all over the place. "I was speeding on the subway/through the stations of the cross." The song is marked by good work from Larry which fits perfectly with the song as well as a nice solo from Edge at the 5 minute mark. Feels to me like there could be a killer middle part in here that isn't there. But a great track as is nonetheless. 9.5/10

    Unknown Caller:

    One of the true growers on the album but my does it ever do just that. Starts off with the Moroccan influences of birds chirping and the Edge's falsetto of sunshine/sunshine. The song then moves into a mid temp trance rocker featuring the best ohh ohh ohh ohh ohh ohhs on the album. The song brings back highlights of Lemon with atmosphere and the unison singing of Bono and The Edge. Without a doubt a favorite for the title of best work by the Edge on the album. The solo is sure to bring the house down live. Odd subject matter aside, the song is a modern rocker that is one of the best on the album. 10/10

    Ill Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight:

    All That You Can't Leave Behind rears it's head on the album on the fifth track as this could have easily been one of the song's on that album, and one of the finest at that. The opening of the song brings up feelings of a religious hymn, which quickly gives way to a traditional U2 sound. Aside from an over the top "crazy tonight" in the second line this is some of Bono's finest singing on the album in particular the chorus. Highlight of this song for me comes from the "baby baby baby I know I'm not alone," swelling up memories of Ultraviolet. An unabashed pop/rock song sure to make an excellent single/radio hit as well as a great live sing along. 8/10

    Get On Your Boots:

    A known commodity that marks a clear change of pace on the album. Coming from the slow/mid tempo songs from the first half of the album, here comes Get On Your Boots to slam the door shut on the first half of the album and kick down the door on the second half. This song really belongs to Adam as he provides some of his best bass work on the entire album. Also present is some really nice singing from The Edge, a reoccurring thing on this album. This track is good on the album, but as seen from the first two live performances, this track is much better live. 7.5/10

    Stand Up Comedy:
    The highlight of this track is the phenomenal guitar work by The Edge, with this being the other track along with Unknown Caller where his work is undeniably outstanding. A riff that is very uncharacteristic for U2 provides a funky feel for this song, while this song is absent of a catchy sing along chorus, it does provide some of Bono’s best lyrics on the album “Stand up to rock stars, Napolean is in high heels/Josephine, be careful of small men with big ideas.” This song has a funk rock feel to it that I have never really heard from U2 but think fits in rather nicely. Another one to keep an eye out for live, can’t wait to see Edge tapping his foot through the riff. 8/10

    Fez-Being Born:
    U2’s most experimental track since Passengers undoubtedly. The intro Fez provides more Morocco influences as the name suggest. A nice ambiance of swirling sounds combined with a drowned “let me in the sound.” What makes this track outstanding however is Being Born. With incredible atmosphere and solid drumming this track is clearly a standout. More combined rhythmic singing from Bono and the Edge helps to push the envelope on this track. The kind of track that shows when U2 want to let go, they can truly create something special. 9/10

    White as Snow:
    A haunting ballad about a soldier lying dying on the side of a road provides the Love is Blindness moment of this album. A slow builder that hits its’ stride midway through the song before coming back down to one of Bono’s best sung verses on the entire album on the line “To sleep the night shooting out the stars.” Another track that seems to be very personal, as well as another track that is a grower, but this ballad is outstandingly written and sung beautifully. 8/10

    Breathe:
    If you thought the album would crawl to the finish after hearing White as Snow here comes the opening drum loop and chords of Breathe to kick that idea right out of your head. A pure up tempo rock song, that was described as the most U2 song U2 had ever written. Not far off at all. This song is a big rock and roll classic featuring great bass lines from Adam, as well as nice drumming from Larry. Added to the mix is a cello part as well as a very catchy little piano part. This song provides some of the most infectious singing from Bono, and wonderful harmonizing by Edge on the chorus, which is the strongest chorus on the album and a surefire sing along hit. “Walk out into the street/Sing your heart out/The people we meet will not be drowned out/There’s nothing you have that I need/ I can breathe/Breathe now. For my money the best song on the album. 10/10

    Cedars of Lebanon:
    Is this the best ever closer to a U2 album? You could make a pretty convincing argument with this track. A soft tempo half spoken by Bono provides some of the best lyrics the album has to provide, the final verse in particular. The drumming provided by Larry Mullen for this song drives the tempo of the song perfectly and gives it an extra element that fits the mood. Not sure how this one will translate live, if at all, but as is it is the perfect way to close out the album. 9/10

    Overall this is an album that is best judged as a whole rather than the sum of its parts. Is it U2’s third masterpiece along with The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby? Only time will tell. But I for one will not discount this album’s chances for being held in that regard by the time we come to look back at U2’s career.