Originally posted by vanquish:No way in hell Rattle and Hum is their worst album. You may not like its style of music, but it has some of their best songs on there.
All I Want Is You, God Pt 2, Hawkmoon, Heartland, Van Diemens Land, Desire and some great b-sides and covers as well.
Seriously, their early work was worse. I'ts common sense
Originally posted by markp91:[..]
Nah, I agree with the dude, R&H was their worst.
Surely All I Want Is You, God Part II and Desire are among their best, but weak live performances of BTBS, Pride, Helter Skelter dont work along. On top of that, Angel Of Harlem, Heartland and Love Rescue Me are really![]()
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Originally posted by vanquish:[..]
Yea, the live performances are pretty bad on R&H and I'm not a fan of Angel of Harlem and Love Rescue Me either (but you don't like Heartland? it has such great atmosphere, and is a JT outtake as well).
But even if you just go by the number of good songs on R&H vs other albums will see it not coming out last.
For example from The Unforgettable Fire the only songs I like are TUF, Bad, Promenade and MLK (the album version of ASOH is on the fence). Even if we include Love Comes Tumbling in the count thats 5, R&H still comes out on top (6) and that's not including b-sides like Hallelujah Here She Comes, Everlasting Love, Unchained Melody or Dancing Barefoot.
And The Unforgettable Fire is a better album than Boy and October (and definitely OST1 if we're counting it).
Originally posted by markp91:[..]
Nah, Heartland is not really my fav no
Well, if you look at it that way R&H would be a better album indeed. BUT to me a good album isn't good because it has more good songs than another album. I mean: they could write 100 songs, release them all and hope there are 10 good songs among them and it's a brilliant album
To me a good album has a couple of brilliant singles, some fan favorites and mostly a minimum of weak tunes. Also the style of the album is very important to me.
And I like OST1 and Boy better than TUF, JT and R&H.....
Originally posted by markp91:[..]
Nah, I agree with the dude, R&H was their worst.
Surely All I Want Is You, God Part II and Desire are among their best, but weak live performances of BTBS, Pride, Helter Skelter dont work along. On top of that, Angel Of Harlem, Heartland and Love Rescue Me are really![]()
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Originally posted by vanquish:[..]
I prefer my metric,
Originally posted by vanquish:[..]
cause it's simpler
Originally posted by vanquish:Yea I agree that albums are more than the sum of their songs, but ranking based on this feel or atmosphere is a bit too subjective.
I prefer my metric, cause it's simpler and it puts AB out on top as best album, which is a good sign.
Originally posted by WojBhoy:[..]
But seeing as music is about subjectivity, I don't why basing a ranking on feel or atmosphere isn't a valid measure. People have different preferences and prefer different music, no one can claim to have a better set of preferences etc. because music and sound affect people in different ways - fans of metal music would point to something like Metallica's Master Of Puppets or Ride The Lightning as one of the seminal pieces of work in the last 20-30 years, whilst fans of something such as U2 would point to something like Achtung Baby or The Joshua Tree. People think The Beatles' work is some of the greatest of all time, but that's based on personal judgement combined with commercial success - who's to say either which way? You can't negate a factor on the basis of subjectivity because that defeats the purpose of music. I personally rate October much higher than a lot of later stuff (especially War, not my favourite album at all) but that doesn't mean I disregard other people's opinions, e.g. dieder just put October at the bottom of his ranking but I'm not going to dismiss that and tell him he's wrong. Well, I might...but yeah, there's so much stuff that you can factor into the ranking of albums and musical work, and personal subjectivity is in amongst said 'stuff'.
Originally posted by dieder:Well you can tryIt's not that I dislike the album but there are just no gems on it, not a single song that I would pick if you ask me to play a song right now. But if I listen to the record I'm not dissapointed though.