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  1. I wouldnt have dared to think you find Karl Marx an authority on government forms
    Each to their own, they all have issues. Even capitalism, ever thought of who makes your clothes? And for how (little) money? Maybe even childeren.

    Fact is if you are rich, someone else is poor. Definition of capitalism. Money flows one way or the other.

    Luckily we are on the right place on the world
  2. Originally posted by Risto:I wouldnt have dared to think you find Karl Marx an authority on government forms
    Each to their own, they all have issues. Even capitalism, ever thought of who makes your clothes? And for how (little) money? Maybe even childeren.

    Fact is if you are rich, someone else is poor. Definition of capitalism. Money flows one way or the other.

    Luckily we are on the right place on the world


    It aint so much I dig Marx, as I have studied the vast majoriety of polictical philosiphers. I like having the knowledge too be able to play any side in an arguement. A hold over from my debate/forensics team days.
  3. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    It aint so much I dig Marx, as I have studied the vast majoriety of polictical philosiphers. I like having the knowledge too be able to play any side in an arguement. A hold over from my debate/forensics team days.


    A debate team? Were you registered in some association? Did the debates have some rules or was it just normal discussing? I've joined the debate league at my school this week and the thing is quite organized, there are regional competitions and stuff.
  4. Originally posted by yuri31:[..]

    A debate team? Were you registered in some association? Did the debates have some rules or was it just normal discussing? I've joined the debate league at my school this week and the thing is quite organized, there are regional competitions and stuff.


    I was on the Manistee High School Forensics team for my Junior, and Senior years. Junior year, I did, sales, while my senior year I switched to Impromtu speaking.

    Mostely we did debateing as a form of practice although, we did have people who did persuasive speechs.

    Good for you though. I love any kind of debate/speech/acting type actievitie.


  6. I always laugh when it comes to USA and socialism and the reason is that you people think that socialism came from the hell and it's like ultimate disease. It's also funny how your politicians scare you with MIGHTY EVIL COMMUNISM and yet communism never had significant role in your politics.

    Did you watch Sicko? Watch this:
    It's what you Americans call "socialism", and what these people are calling "goverment taking care of their citizens".

    The thing you don't realize, IMO, is the fact that capitalism came from the same mother as socialism.

    As someone sad, you might be rich, but because of that, someone on the other side of the planet gets a dollar for 3 days of work. Capitalism is built upon degrading people to make other people rich.

    And I don't prefer communism over capitalism, I'm just trying to say that each of the systems is...mistake.

    P.S. I'm studying at faculty of political sciences.
  7. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    I always laugh when it comes to USA and socialism and the reason is that you people think that socialism came from the hell and it's like ultimate disease. It's also funny how your politicians scare you with MIGHTY EVIL COMMUNISM and yet communism never had significant role in your politics.

    Did you watch Sicko? Watch this: [YouTube Video] It's what you Americans call "socialism", and what these people are calling "goverment taking care of their citizens".

    The thing you don't realize, IMO, is the fact that capitalism came from the same mother as socialism.

    As someone sad, you might be rich, but because of that, someone on the other side of the planet gets a dollar for 3 days of work. Capitalism is built upon degrading people to make other people rich.

    And I don't prefer communism over capitalism, I'm just trying to say that each of the systems is...mistake.

    P.S. I'm studying at faculty of political sciences.


    Please go back to ignoring my post. You an annying hipocritical a-hole. You tell me not to swear yet your first ever post in relation to me was saying people like me are the reason the U.S. is fucked up. You stick up for socialism/communism, yet your on a U2 site, a band which has made a ridiculos sum of money through the free-market. You complain about the U.S., but thats all you do is complain. I actually have more respect for the insurgents in Afghanistan, since at least there willing to die for there cause.

    So please, I beg of you, go back to ignoring me.


  8. Dont remember. It was a fairley mainstream one though. Not one of the far-right, or far left outfits. Remember, I was gone for a fair ammount of time.

    Another story I would have liked to discuss was the "biblical" rifle scopes. (google it)
  9. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    Please go back to ignoring my post. You an annying hipocritical a-hole. You tell me not to swear yet your first ever post in relation to me was saying people like me are the reason the U.S. is fucked up. You stick up for socialism/communism, yet your on a U2 site, a band which has made a ridiculos sum of money through the free-market. You complain about the U.S., but thats all you do is complain. I actually have more respect for the insurgents in Afghanistan, since at least there willing to die for there cause.

    So please, I beg of you, go back to ignoring me.


    I don't stick up to communism, don't be rediculous. We already had conversation about it and there you can read what I said about it. My parents for example lived in socialism while USA never tasted it and never will. Yet, your politicians always scare you with socialism. They're scaring you with something that just isn't there and it doesn't exist.

    I study at faculty of political sciences so I think I know something about stuff we're talking here while you gain your "knowledge" from, seems to me, Wikipedia and "mainstream" media.

    And get back to reading my previous post. I said that socialism and capitalism came from the same mother and both are deeply unfair.

  10. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    I don't stick up to communism, don't be rediculous. We already had conversation about it and there you can read what I said about it. My parents for example lived in socialism while USA never tasted it and never will. Yet, your politicians always scare you with socialism. They're scaring you with something that just isn't there and it doesn't exist.

    I study at faculty of political sciences so I think I know something about stuff we're talking here while you gain your "knowledge" from, seems to me, Wikipedia and "mainstream" media.

    And get back to reading my previous post. I said that socialism and capitalism came from the same mother and both are deeply unfair.




    I study polictical history. I never use wikipedia, on polictical matters, and I downright hate the mainstream media.

    I ask you again, please go back to ignoring me. If I want to have a discussion with you, I'll start it, and it will be as short as possible.

    Also, American history romanticizes the hell out of Socialism/Comunism.
  11. Please stop quoting wtshnnfb01. I have to read that nonsense when you do. If you don't, there's just blank space - which has the same intelectual value.
  12. Originally posted by yeah:Please stop quoting wtshnnfb01. I have to read that nonsense when you do. If you don't, there's just blank space - which has the same intelectual value.


    Oh my god. The one and only user, who hates me more than Yogi!!!!
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