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  1. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    It has a provision. If you dont buy health insurance, you either pay a fine, or go to jail.

    Fortunantly much of the bill, doesen't kick in till 2014. I will almost assuredly be in the Air force by than, and the U.S, military has great insurance plans. (still need to get in shape some more)

    On a funny note, the campaign of virtually everyone Repub is going to be killing this. Its sad really, since people really aint gonna care about anything else. A candidate could probally get up on stage, and say he rape little boys, and people would still vote for him, if he vowed to fught against this.


    Dont you think insurance in the military is free? Also comes out of your pay eventually. You only have a bigger chance of actually needing it.

    Anyway, it seems the whole reformation is very poorly supported. It will probably fall again in a few months. I dont understand it, but it seems people have it better here in the NL. Although like yuri said, sometimes it is overdone here in the European Union.

    Just weird that a relatively weak EU (politic wise) can do so much more than the USA federal government.
  2. Originally posted by yuri31:[..]

    I'm not saying that we should let people die, modern society is supposed to show solidarity to the weak. But we should prevent some people from abusing the system. For example, there are thousands of unemployed Gypsies in Slovakia who don't even think of getting a job because they receive all the money from the state anyway, and they don't need to move a single finger. You've got into trouble and need some help? Alright, surely, you should be helped. But if you deliberately stay in the same position, I don't care if you die or not. Move your effin' arse to change to course of things.


    I understand completely, people abuse the system. I was just reflecting to the situation in the USA.
  3. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    Dont you think insurance in the military is free? Also comes out of your pay eventually. You only have a bigger chance of actually needing it.

    Anyway, it seems the whole reformation is very poorly supported. It will probably fall again in a few months. I dont understand it, but it seems people have it better here in the NL. Although like yuri said, sometimes it is overdone here in the European Union.

    Just weird that a relatively weak EU (politic wise) can do so much more than the USA federal government.


    Yeah it does come out of your pay, but that really dont matter too me.

    That being said, people should see the writing on the wall. The U.S. government cant run anything. They could probally fuck up a lemonade stand.
  4. I have a feeling this is gonna be a very intresting week on here.


  5. What about the incredible power that assurance industry have?

    Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    My moms uninsured. Shes dirt-poor too. Problaay worse off than me actually. Since I'm only almost twenty, I got a lots of room left in my life too move up. Shes in her fortys.


    The way I see it, this law is made for those that couldn't afford health assurance. If you're "dirt poor" than you couldn't afford health assurance until now. Now, people who have money will pay so that everyone could get the same treatment.

    In EU many people have free health assurance. I have it because I'm a student. Pensioners get it because they're pensioners. Kids have it because they're kids. Unemployed people have it because, obviously, they can't make their own money.

    It's just right. Of course people abuse it, but it's right to help each other. Why would anyone die from some treatable disease just because he's poor?



  6. In nowadays world each kind of industry has incredible power. You suggest that assurance industry is what, nationalised?
  7. Originally posted by yuri31:[..]

    In nowadays world each kind of industry has incredible power. You suggest that assurance industry is what, nationalised?


    Errr...no, they were in privilaged position until now.
  8. The following things you may or may not know:

    1. You cant be turned away from an emergency room in the U.S. if you have a real emergency. They have big-ass signs posted in them stateing that.
    2. Obamacare contains enough bribes to various states that the government could probally buy a third-world country.
    3. They snuck in a provision making it so the government is responsible for all student loans. What does that have to do with health care?
    4. The I.R.S. is to be the chief enforcement agency.
    5. 14 states(including Michigan) are preparing to file lawsuits challenging ints constitutionality, on grounds that it violate the 10th amedment, of the Bill Of Rights.

    Discuss.


  9. I say let them compete across state lines.
  10. I'm never buying somethiong because the government tells me too. I'd rather rot in jail.
  11. Anyone else find it stupid that American troops in Haiti are not being allowed to fly the stars-and-stripes over there camps in Haiti?
  12. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:Anyone else find it stupid that American troops in Haiti are not being allowed to fly the stars-and-stripes over there camps in Haiti?


    And why would they do that? They're there to help, it doesn't matter where they are from.
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