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  1. If you saw people who you thought were terrorist, you might be a little trigger happy too.


  2. The more, I dig, it sounds less like a cover-up, and more like a failure to advertise. (Cant say I blame them)

    Also, the more I dig, the more this reminds me of the Acorn scandal. A video that was taken out of context, and edited to include only the parts you needed.
  3. Originally posted by Risto:Well it was leaked by WikiLeaks, not by the government. Nobody knew this happened.

    Allthough Aaron says it has been told to some people / organisations, the public was never informed.


    It was told too the news agency that employed the journalist. They could have told the international media, but they chose not too for some reason.


  4. Seeing as the mainstream media, is anti-Iraq war, and evidently at least some people knew about it, it looks to me like they dropped the ball.

    Also, proving the the internet is run by left-wingers, the rebuttal video which was released the next day, was taken off of youtube almost immediately.


    In other news Italian aid workers were implicated in a plot to kill an Afghanin governor.
  5. Also, a dumb move on the part of the journalist. They should have had something that identified them as such.

    On a sidenote, at least two weapons can be seen in the photographs taken of the scene afterwards. Actually thats about all you can see. (Most of the footage of the bodys is censored. 30mm cannon versus flesh, aint something you need to see.)


  6. What, they should wear huge sign "Journalist" pointed into the sky while they're working their job?!

    When I'm going on a meeting with someone for an interview or something, I don't expect to be killed from helicopter, by bunch of losers who feel bored.

    It doesn't matter if weapons were found on the place of the crime because anyone could put anything there after that happened. I'm not saying that someone did that, but it could.
  7. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    What, they should wear huge sign "Journalist" pointed into the sky while they're working their job?!

    When I'm going on a meeting with someone for an interview or something, I don't expect to be killed from helicopter, by bunch of losers who feel bored.



    Okay, your last statement sounds like a pretty irresponsible statement to me. For one, you're not interviewing someone in a war zone where just about anyone you come into contact with could be wearing a bomb or be trying to kill you. Also, I doubt that there are million dollar helicopters armed to the teeth flying above your interviews. I'm not saying that this journalist got what he deserved for not emphasizing the fact that he was a journalist and not an insurgent, but I see photos all the time of people wearing "JOURNALIST" signs on their clothes when they're in dangerous places to avoid confusion. It's not unrealistic to expect/hope for people to do that.

    Also, I take exception to your "losers who feel bored" comment. Granted, these guys misidentified the photographer, but they have people aiming and shooting RPGs at them as part of their normal day-to-day routines. That's a classic formula for PTSD. That led to their misidentification, and it's incredibly tragic, but you can't say that they were just losers who were bored. They thought they saw a man pointing an RPG at them and trying to kill them, so they took action.
  8. Not much to say. It shouldn't but it did happen. Happend before, will happen again. Not saying that the actions need to be taken against the persons responsible. But it is a warzone.

    Only way to prevent this from happening again is pulling back all forces.
  9. Originally posted by haytrain:[..]

    Okay, your last statement sounds like a pretty irresponsible statement to me. For one, you're not interviewing someone in a war zone where just about anyone you come into contact with could be wearing a bomb or be trying to kill you. Also, I doubt that there are million dollar helicopters armed to the teeth flying above your interviews. I'm not saying that this journalist got what he deserved for not emphasizing the fact that he was a journalist and not an insurgent, but I see photos all the time of people wearing "JOURNALIST" signs on their clothes when they're in dangerous places to avoid confusion. It's not unrealistic to expect/hope for people to do that.

    Also, I take exception to your "losers who feel bored" comment. Granted, these guys misidentified the photographer, but they have people aiming and shooting RPGs at them as part of their normal day-to-day routines. That's a classic formula for PTSD. That led to their misidentification, and it's incredibly tragic, but you can't say that they were just losers who were bored. They thought they saw a man pointing an RPG at them and trying to kill them, so they took action.


    Of course, they may even had those signs on their clothes, but such things are not visible from the helicopter..

    I agree that they're in dangerous situations everyday, but good decision is something that makes difference between good and bad soldier.

    When I look at the tape I see few people standing around and talking, without anyone trying to shot down the helicopter. They weren't even aware of the presence of helicopter until fire began.

    ----
    There is another example. Few weeks ago Israel soldiers shot five Palestinian teenagers. Explanation? One of the boys TRIED TO HIT Israel soldier.


    ----I understand that those situations are not easy, people are afraid, but you know...don't become a monster in order to kill a monster..


    Speaking of conflict between Israel and Palestina...Israel is the monster.
  10. What do you UK guys think of last night's debate?
  11. Originally posted by Risto:Not much to say. It shouldn't but it did happen. Happend before, will happen again. Not saying that the actions need to be taken against the persons responsible. But it is a warzone.

    Only way to prevent this from happening again is pulling back all forces.


    I'm all for putting them in front of a fireing squad, even if it was a mistake. In this day, and age, the armed forces of the U.S. cant afford to be anything less than perfect, and capital punishment seems like it would be a decent motivator here.


  12. People always give such a double standard when dealing with the Israel Palistine situation. Doesen't anyone remember Munich, or Ma'alot?
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