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  1. I've lost faith in media long time ago. Don't believe what you hear, don't believe what you see Not saying that you are wrong, just that there is no way to find out what the truth is for the normal citizen.

    War is always ugly, for example there are strong rumours that the UCK killed people for their organs. Under the umbrella of the NATO.

    Not saying it is true, just saying that truth is the first thing down the drain when the bomb falls.


  2. But I did. Unlike you I like seeing diffrent viewpoints from my own.
  3. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    I've lost faith in media long time ago. Don't believe what you hear, don't believe what you see

    War is always ugly, for example there are strong rumours that the UCK killed people for their organs. Under the umbrella of the NATO.

    Not saying it is true, just saying that truth is the first thing down the drain when the bomb falls.


    The first casualtie of war is truth.


  4. I didn't say that to you! But that is why you should see this film because it reveals how media is supporting propaganda of goverments and lying to people. There are journalists interviewed in film that admit they did support the war becuse they didn't do enough search and now they feel ashmed becuse of that.

    Here you won't see some obscure guys that talk nonsences that they don't understand. As I said, people in film are all people that worked for US or Britain governents or UN or soldiers that were fighting in Iraq.


  5. Your first answer shows that you didn't. Not only I'm seeing different viewpoints, I learn about ALL of them because I study at college of political sciences.
  6. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    Your first answer shows that you didn't. Not only I'm seeing different viewpoints, I learn about ALL of them because I study at college of political sciences.



    Ah, but there your wrong. I posted like that on purpose to throw you off.

    That might be the most elitist thing I've ever seen anyone post.
  7. Same thing, I cant tell how reliable those dudes are. Anyway, I would be not surprised if some of the things you mentioned are true. The worst thing of all these things is that I start to feel indifferent about it all. To throw another lyric in the mix: fact is fixtion, tv reality. Why should i pick sides if in a year or a decade we hear it was all wrong?

    One thing is clear NATO is losing the ongoing wars. There is no king to defeat in this one.
  8. Originally posted by Risto:Same thing, I cant tell how reliable those dudes are. Anyway, I would be not surprised if some of the things you mentioned are true. The worst thing of all these things is that I start to feel indifferent about it all. To throw another lyric in the mix: fact is fixtion, tv reality. Why should i pick sides if in a year or a decade we hear it was all wrong?

    One thing is clear NATO is losing the ongoing wars. There is no king to defeat in this one.


    Exactly. War has become increasinly dirty in the past hundread years.
  9. People like Yogi are the reason I have reservations about going to college.
  10. Remember what happened with the previous thread....


  11. I really don't care at this point. This is rapidly becoming another "Americans and the free market are evil" leftie spiel, and letting this thread get opened was a mistake.
  12. Well you can ruin it for others like me as well.
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