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  1. Originally posted by clover68:[..]
    that's an indisputable point i think .. tour announcement before album release
    McGuinness strategy failed that time



    but at the same time my opinion is that since zooropa the band have become far too anal about 'perfecting' albums before releasing them. thats why we ALWAYS get given a new album release date and then that date gets pushed further and further back and thats why all those re-worked pop songs were not any better than the album versions. especially the versions of discotheque and gone on the best of 1990-2000. i also think NLOTH would've been a lot better if it hadn't been fiddled with for an extra year or so...

    i've never had a problem with the production on pop. i genuinely think that if they had been given as much time as they wanted to get it sounding 'right' then it would've lost all it's magic and the popmart tour would've taken place in 1999-2000....
  2. Originally posted by ric:[..]

    but at the same time my opinion is that since zooropa the band have become far too anal about 'perfecting' albums before releasing them. thats why we ALWAYS get given a new album release date and then that date gets pushed further and further back and thats why all those re-worked pop songs were not any better than the album versions. especially the versions of discotheque and gone on the best of 1990-2000. i also think NLOTH would've been a lot better if it hadn't been fiddled with for an extra year or so...

    i've never had a problem with the production on pop. i genuinely think that if they had been given as much time as they wanted to get it sounding 'right' then it would've lost all it's magic and the popmart tour would've taken place in 1999-2000....


    The production wasn't the issue. The fact the band couldn't play the tunes was
  3. If I recall correctly, after about five years of rock music dominance, a lot of different music was becoming popular - electronica, hip hop, ... even bumble gun pop (Aqua, Hansen, etc.) was making a comeback. Some big bands were disintegrating (the end of the grunge era, too) and it seems that one-hit wonders were on the rise. Look at a "top songs from 1997" list and see how many of these artists were still around ten, no make it five, years later. Chumbawumba for crying out loud!!? Anyway, although Pop wasn't U2 gretest effort (and they may have took the irony too far) they didn't really stand a chance in that atmosphere.


  5. yeah they initially had trouble playing the songs live but i was referring to the fact that the band weren't happy with the production of the album itself
  6. Originally posted by RUMMY:If I recall correctly, after about five years of rock music dominance, a lot of different music was becoming popular - electronica, hip hop, ... even bumble gun pop (Aqua, Hansen, etc.) was making a comeback. Some big bands were disintegrating (the end of the grunge era, too) and it seems that one-hit wonders were on the rise. Look at a "top songs from 1997" list and see how many of these artists were still around ten, no make it five, years later. Chumbawumba for crying out loud!!? Anyway, although Pop wasn't U2 gretest effort (and they may have took the irony too far) they didn't really stand a chance in that atmosphere.


    i don't get all this talk of irony when referring to pop album itself. yes popmart was full of irony which unfortunately was lost on the majority of their north american audience but the pop album itself was not meant as an ironic statement at all.

    the way i saw it at the time (and still do) is that pop was just the next exciting step in the bands constantly evolving 90's career arc. they started with AB and then got weirder on zooropa which was followed by passengers and then came pop which explored yet more new and vastly different sonic territories. that was what the band was about back then - you didn't know what they would come up with next. but it was all totally sincere - they weren't playing a trick on us - exploring new and alien territories was what they believed in at the time

  7. Originally posted by ric:[..]
    the way i saw it at the time (and still do) is that pop was just the next exciting step in the bands constantly evolving 90's career arc. they started with AB and then got weirder on zooropa which was followed by passengers and then came pop which explored yet more new and vastly different sonic territories. that was what the band was about back then - you didn't know what they would come up with next. but it was all totally sincere - they weren't playing a trick on us - exploring new and alien territories was what they believed in at the time


    That is a description of the band I used to love. And knowing they are capable of doing that keeps me following them.


  8. It's the band we all used to love, Buddy.
  9. Originally posted by ric:[..]


    i've never had a problem with the production on pop. i genuinely think that if they had been given as much time as they wanted to get it sounding 'right' then it would've lost all it's magic and the popmart tour would've taken place in 1999-2000....


    I agree with all of that except for the fact I like the remix of Gone better. I love when Bono ust freaks out in the song.
  10. Originally posted by ric:[..]

    i don't get all this talk of irony when referring to pop album itself. yes popmart was full of irony which unfortunately was lost on the majority of their north american audience but the pop album itself was not meant as an ironic statement at all.

    the way i saw it at the time (and still do) is that pop was just the next exciting step in the bands constantly evolving 90's career arc. they started with AB and then got weirder on zooropa which was followed by passengers and then came pop which explored yet more new and vastly different sonic territories. that was what the band was about back then - you didn't know what they would come up with next. but it was all totally sincere - they weren't playing a trick on us - exploring new and alien territories was what they believed in at the time




    I meant the tour.

  11. I think he meant that he loved and not loves... And not all of us have lost the love for the band.


  12. I STILL love them. Although their work is not as good as it was in the 1990's, it's not all that bad - just comparatively TO THEIR OWN WORK not as good.
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