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Originally posted by LikeASong:BO - ring

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Originally posted by iTim:[..]

“@SeppBlatter: After last night’s match #GLT is no longer an alternative but a necessity.”

Words cannot even...

Edit: Of course though, Blatter has no control over Uefa so we would only see it in Fifa competitions unless Platini has the same change of heart. I suspect he may have something to say...

That is not how football works.

There is an international body (IFAB, look them up!) who control "the laws of the game". FIFA has representatives (4) as do the home countries' FAs (Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England: one each. )

Every FA in te world has to adhere to "the laws of the game", or they will be expelled from interenational football. Every international competition has to as well (Euros, Champs' league) This is part of the foundations of FIFA and the deal when the english FA joined FIFA and provided the president of FIFA (DB.Woolfall).

So It's not FIFA stopping GLT, it's FIFA enforcing rules at the behest of IFAB. Note that at least three of the other IFAB members are much more conservative than FIFA. GLT has been discussed many times in IFAB, but it has never come to a vote, which would require six out of eight votes; indeed nothing changes without FIFA, but they need two of four out of the FA, SFA, WFA and IFA as well.

UEFA has nothing to do with it, other then having individual, independent member there. They have no control over IFAB, over FIFA or over the IFA/SFA/WFA/FA.

The reason behind not allowing GLT is very simple: the game must be the same at every level. GLT is such a game changer, yet is only viable at the highest professional levels.

BTW the english media love to blame the foreigner (sleazeball Blatter) when their focus should be the corruption in the english FA, the corrosive influence of the EPL and the actions of the FA in IFAB. For example: the allegations towards Russia for being awarded the WC 2018, yet the FA being proven to have bribed during their bid!

iTim

12 years

Originally posted by eviltwin:[..]

That is not how football works.

There is an international body (IFAB, look them up!) who control "the laws of the game". FIFA has representatives (4) as do the home countries' FAs (Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England: one each. )

Every FA in te world has to adhere to "the laws of the game", or they will be expelled from interenational football. Every international competition has to as well (Euros, Champs' league) This is part of the foundations of FIFA and the deal when the english FA joined FIFA and provided the president of FIFA (DB.Woolfall).

So It's not FIFA stopping GLT, it's FIFA enforcing rules at the behest of IFAB. Note that at least three of the other IFAB members are much more conservative than FIFA. GLT has been discussed many times in IFAB, but it has never come to a vote, which would require six out of eight votes; indeed nothing changes without FIFA, but they need two of four out of the FA, SFA, WFA and IFA as well.

UEFA has nothing to do with it, other then having individual, independent member there. They have no control over IFAB, over FIFA or over the IFA/SFA/WFA/FA.

The reason behind not allowing GLT is very simple: the game must be the same at every level. GLT is such a game changer, yet is only viable at the highest professional levels.

BTW the english media love to blame the foreigner (sleazeball Blatter) when their focus should be the corruption in the english FA, the corrosive influence of the EPL and the actions of the FA in IFAB. For example: the allegations towards Russia for being awarded the WC 2018, yet the FA being proven to have bribed during their bid!

Right, so UEFA are breaking the laws of the game which state the following;

Two assistant referees may be appointed whose duties, subject to the decision of the referee, are to indicate: ...

Two, not four. The game is not the same at every level. UEFA deem it necessary to trial four assistant referees at their major competitions. Therefore, breaking the rules set out by whoever. Goal line technology is a long way off and it won't become a law of the game. The laws are there to standardise the game for all and as you said, it is impossible to implement the technology at every level of the game.

It would be left to the individual associations to implement the technology if they want. FIFA can choose to use it for the World Cup but they can't force, and neither can the IFAB, clubs in the English conference to implement the technology at their ground.

The IFAB will simply look at the options available and say that if you want to use goal line technology, then this is the system to use. The English FA have already trialled it in an international friendly, it wasn't allowed to be used, it was simply a test, but the Premier League are looking to implement it as soon as possible.

If the IFAB decide that goal line technology is good, they'll only recommend a system. They're not going to rewrite the laws of the game so that every club that adheres to those laws has to use goal line technology. Nonsense. If they decide against it, it's not unlawful to use it. Individual bodies can alter the game as they see fit, if the Premier League uses it for its competition, then that will be fine. The technology will be available to all clubs, therefore nobody will gain an unfair advantage.

They're not changing the laws of the game at all, allowing 12 players to play would break the rules. Implementing technology that helps the referee to adhere to the laws of the game is nothing. As I've said, the IFAB will simply standardise the technology.

Tell me, how often is this law broken: A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal.?

patou2

12 years

Tonight ( for me today) Germany vs Greece ....

No surprises ?? Someone know why Karagounis is not going to play ?

iTim

12 years

Karagounis is suspended for the game.

patou2

12 years

Originally posted by iTim:Karagounis is suspended for the game.

I suspected that ...he is the best greek player IMO

mike02

12 years

Germany rules!

Yogi

12 years

Haha, crazy Greeks

eviltwin

12 years

Originally posted by iTim:[..]

Right, so UEFA are breaking the laws of the game which state the following;

Two assistant referees may be appointed whose duties, subject to the decision of the referee, are to indicate: ...

Two, not four. The game is not the same at every level. UEFA deem it necessary to trial four assistant referees at their major competitions. Therefore, breaking the rules set out by whoever. Goal line technology is a long way off and it won't become a law of the game. The laws are there to standardise the game for all and as you said, it is impossible to implement the technology at every level of the game.

It would be left to the individual associations to implement the technology if they want. FIFA can choose to use it for the World Cup but they can't force, and neither can the IFAB, clubs in the English conference to implement the technology at their ground.

The IFAB will simply look at the options available and say that if you want to use goal line technology, then this is the system to use. The English FA have already trialled it in an international friendly, it wasn't allowed to be used, it was simply a test, but the Premier League are looking to implement it as soon as possible.

If the IFAB decide that goal line technology is good, they'll only recommend a system. They're not going to rewrite the laws of the game so that every club that adheres to those laws has to use goal line technology. Nonsense. If they decide against it, it's not unlawful to use it. Individual bodies can alter the game as they see fit, if the Premier League uses it for its competition, then that will be fine. The technology will be available to all clubs, therefore nobody will gain an unfair advantage.

They're not changing the laws of the game at all, allowing 12 players to play would break the rules. Implementing technology that helps the referee to adhere to the laws of the game is nothing. As I've said, the IFAB will simply standardise the technology.

Tell me, how often is this law broken: A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal.?

If the IFAB decide that goal line technology is good, they'll only recommend a system. They're not going to rewrite the laws of the game so that every club that adheres to those laws has to use goal line technology. Nonsense

The problem lies in implementing a system that would not cause a pause in games. For the ref to review his calls, some decision time is necessary, Such a break would be a new addition to the game (when? how long? how to restart?). There is also the principle of only overturing a ruling on the pitch if it is clearly proven wrong (which is the standard in Am.Football, basketball etc.). IMHO the technology would not help the refs, only undermine their authority, which is quite poor in football anyway, compared to US sports such as basketball or baseball, but also vs Rugby.

But as it stands the introdution of GLT is very likely, perhaps as early as next season:
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15022&a=9452&week=10

The rules are also quite clear in currently outlawing any such use, unless with express permission for trials (such as the England game or UEFA leagues+Euros): the IFAB can give permission for such experiments. However, when the Dutch FA proposed to play the game of the future, at some point in the 90s (cameras, computer tracking etc.) FIFA stepped in, threatening with a lifetime ban for all involved.

Tell me, how often is this law broken: A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal.?

The rules also say that the referee is always right, yet mistakes can be corrected by replaying when the rules have been applied incorrectly, if the competition allows this. So a judgement call such as a non-goal cannot be grounds for an appeal, neither can a foul when called and given, but a clear infraction of "technical rules" can lead to a replay. A playoff Uzbekistan-Japan comes to mind (something wrong with the penalty IIRC).

The last WC final could have been replayed as Webb incorrectly gave Spain a throw in, starting the build up to their goal (the one deciding goal), yet it would be impossible to retroactively send off Iniesta for retaliation on vBommel, or impose heavier punishment for de Jong's dangerous play on X.Alonso, as Webb saw and judged those incidents. Those judgement calls, no matter how wrong, can not be reversed.

Erikvloedgraven

12 years