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  1. Gary Johnson is the only person running who I think is as obtuse as Hillary and unpredictable as Trump.
  2. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    No, I'm not.
    I'm saying that racism and xenophobia have played a big role in the campaign and both sides used it to their own advantage, which is not good.
    I'm not saying any of the sides represented these values, only that the campaign and the election has been a left/right, fear/confidence, etc. issue.
    Okay, in that case I agree with you Every party uses fear to their advantage and some people aren't able to see through that, which really is a shame.
  3. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]


    Trump or Clinton... Either way we're screwed here, too. But honestly, Clinton scares me the most. I'm hoping if anything here if this election cycle stirs up anything, it makes people realize that there is actually a viable 3rd party, and the only we'll have change and break the 2-party deadlocks and pissing matches is to bring a 3rd party aboard. Trump and Sanders (good or bad) at least managed to wake up a sleepwalking nation... GARY JOHNSON 2016.
    A couple of months ago there was a rumour about the old major of NYC running, Bloomberg (if I'm right), but that rumour seems to have vanished.
  4. I can't believe that in the year 2016 all over the world the populist speech of state protectionism, nationalism, xenophobia and isolationism is winning.
    Yes, we live in times of crisis, but turning your back to the problems of the world is not going to solve anything.
    So congrats, you wanted to go back to 1930's politics, because it was such "exciting times".

    “No man is an island,
    Entire of itself,
    Every man is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main”
    John Donne
  5. Originally posted by bartajax:[..]
    A couple of months ago there was a rumour about the old major of NYC running, Bloomberg (if I'm right), but that rumour seems to have vanished.
    Yeah, that's out the window. I really wish they would indict Hillary before it's too late and get Biden in the race. I'd still be voting for Gary Johnson, but at least I'd have the relief of knowing that she will be out of the picture and hopefully on the way to the house she truly belongs in...
  6. Not sure there is anyone more obtuse than Clinton. But he is the far lesser of the evils and he brings a 3rd party viability that is so needed in this country. And the Libertarian party platform is one that, if people actually took the time to look into, could actually unite this country. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. (in a nutshell - live your life your way and let others live theirs)
  7. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:I can't believe that in the year 2016 all over the world the populist speech of state protectionism, nationalism, xenophobia and isolationism is winning.
    Yes, we live in times of crisis, but turning your back to the problems of the world is not going to solve anything.
    So congrats, you wanted to go back to 1930's politics, because it was such "exciting times".

    “No man is an island,
    Entire of itself,
    Every man is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main”
    John Donne
    Yeah, cause internationalism had no drawbacks and was just peachy.
  8. It far outweighs its problems. The benefits of economical, commercial and security cooperation are there in plain sight.
    How is that worse to the opposite: a politic of fear, populism, a country isolated and blaming all the problems on foreigners.
    You think "internationalism" is going to solve all problems? No, but it's a start, and it's the only way in a globalized world.
  9. Is this discussion is going to go the way of the politics thread?
  10. I'm still reeling from us leaving the EU. Wales is the poorest nation in the UK and we get a lot of funding from the EU and yet we voted out. Just mad. Only 5 out of the 22 counties in Wales voted for remain...

    *sigh*

  11. Originally posted by Welsh_Edge:I'm still reeling from us leaving the EU. Wales is the poorest nation in the UK and we get a lot of funding from the EU and yet we voted out. Just mad. Only 5 out of the 22 counties in Wales voted for remain...

    *sigh*

    Expect referendums in Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland about leaving the UK.

    What's more bizarre is that the problems and financial crisis Europe faces have other culprits: ruthless and corrupt banks, terrorism, fear-mongering politicians at both sides of the Atlantic. But hey, let's leave the EU because those damn immigrants.
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