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U2 - Songs Of Experience (2017)
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  1. If it was a fansite, I'd be hesitant. But for Rolling Stone to publish, I'm sure (I'd like to think anyway) that the "U2 spokesperson" is a reliable source.
  2. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:If it was a fansite, I'd be hesitant. But for Rolling Stone to publish, I'm sure (I'd like to think anyway) that the "U2 spokesperson" is a reliable source.
    RS is not too trustworthy media imo...
  3. I wasn't too confident of a 2016 release to begin with, so I'm not too disheartened. When it comes, it comes.
  4. I'm fairly confident the album is complete and has been for quite some time.
  6. maybe single in 2016, but tour and album next year, very sad and impatient,can't wait
  7. Yes. Until Edge and his infernal tinkering came up with a new idea that was so great they had to add it to the album. And then when they were mixing that in, another idea came that fit yhe last and now two songs need to go on the new album... see where I'm going?

    And I don't see the strategy in having a finished album on the shelf collecting dust. Especially when you're U2. If you don't get it out, it becomes irrelevant (in their minds) and they go back to square one... nothing is "done" for U2 until it's released.
  8. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]
    Yes. Until Edge and his infernal tinkering came up with a new idea that was so great they had to add it to the album. And then when they were mixing that in, another idea came that fit yhe last and now two songs need to go on the new album... see where I'm going?

    And I don't see the strategy in having a finished album on the shelf collecting dust. Especially when you're U2. If you don't get it out, it becomes irrelevant (in their minds) and they go back to square one... nothing is "done" for U2 until it's released.
    I think this very accurately describes their writing/recording process as of late - I'm recalling the band mentioning that SOI was finished just a week or so before it was dropped into everybody's iTunes without warning.

    And yet, the overly optimistic part of me wants to agree with the assessment that the album has been complete for a while - hence the world traveling pictures on social media and the relative silence (until this RS quote) regarding SOE's release. Are they delaying intentionally because of a preconceived plan for surprising us somehow again with the album release? Or are they maybe still ironing out the details for how they will drop the album this time around? I hope so...
  9. Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
    I think this very accurately describes their writing/recording process as of late - I'm recalling the band mentioning that SOI was finished just a week or so before it was dropped into everybody's iTunes without warning.

    And yet, the overly optimistic part of me wants to agree with the assessment that the album has been complete for a while - hence the world traveling pictures on social media and the relative silence (until this RS quote) regarding SOE's release. Are they delaying intentionally because of a preconceived plan for surprising us somehow again with the album release? Or are they maybe still ironing out the details for how they will drop the album this time around? I hope so...
    My pipe dream is they would just forget the madness, and produce themselves. They have to be about the only talent of their magnitude that is so reliant on outside producers. The news from a few years back about them not wanting to share credit as songwriters with Eno/Lanois was very telling. Not like I'm trying to knock the band. Tons of musicians are reliant on outside producers, I just had hoped that earlier on they had done more themselves. Prince produced his first album in 1978 just before turning 20. But they may as well hire the cook at the Waffle House in Florence, South Carolina to produce some songs. Rick Rubin from 1990 would have been great, but I think he has lost it. Actually, I should produce the damn thing, but I might sneak in Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis for some help on the technical side. But I wouldn't let them make it sound like a Prince album!
  10. Originally posted by pleasegone:[..]
    My pipe dream is they would just forget the madness, and produce themselves. They have to be about the only talent of their magnitude that is so reliant on outside producers. The news from a few years back about them not wanting to share credit as songwriters with Eno/Lanois was very telling. Not like I'm trying to knock the band. Tons of musicians are reliant on outside producers, I just had hoped that earlier on they had done more themselves. Prince produced his first album in 1978 just before turning 20. But they may as well hire the cook at the Waffle House in Florence, South Carolina to produce some songs. Rick Rubin from 1990 would have been great, but I think he has lost it. Actually, I should produce the damn thing, but I might sneak in Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis for some help on the technical side. But I wouldn't let them make it sound like a Prince album!
    It is their achilles heel. They have such a fear of the word "relevant" that they feel they need input/influence from outside (hence the DJ fixation and working with younger artists as producers) They should just unleash the mad scientist Edge on the mixing board and make the record. Period.
  11. Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
    I think this very accurately describes their writing/recording process as of late - I'm recalling the band mentioning that SOI was finished just a week or so before it was dropped into everybody's iTunes without warning.

    And yet, the overly optimistic part of me wants to agree with the assessment that the album has been complete for a while - hence the world traveling pictures on social media and the relative silence (until this RS quote) regarding SOE's release. Are they delaying intentionally because of a preconceived plan for surprising us somehow again with the album release? Or are they maybe still ironing out the details for how they will drop the album this time around? I hope so...
    I believe the album, in some form, is complete. And has been. But then they went to Croatia. And Edge heard something there. And he sat in his hotel room one night and fiddled. And emulated. And recorded it. And played it for the band. And it became a song. That became 2 songs. And it was a totally different direction. And what was finished became unfinished. And what was the final track listing suddenly wasn't final. And Fall of 2016 became Spring of 2017... And so it goes...
  12. Originally posted by pleasegone:[..]
    My pipe dream is they would just forget the madness, and produce themselves. They have to be about the only talent of their magnitude that is so reliant on outside producers. The news from a few years back about them not wanting to share credit as songwriters with Eno/Lanois was very telling. Not like I'm trying to knock the band. Tons of musicians are reliant on outside producers, I just had hoped that earlier on they had done more themselves. Prince produced his first album in 1978 just before turning 20. But they may as well hire the cook at the Waffle House in Florence, South Carolina to produce some songs. Rick Rubin from 1990 would have been great, but I think he has lost it. Actually, I should produce the damn thing, but I might sneak in Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis for some help on the technical side. But I wouldn't let them make it sound like a Prince album!
    I don't think there's anything wrong with being reliant on producers though, MOST mainstream/hugely commercial artists are, even if they pretend not to be.

    U2 has always benefited from using producers in the studio, and they've always used them. Just compare their early live sound and early recorded demos to Boy for example. Steve Lillywhite seriously transformed the sound of those songs, and that's not a bad thing. U2 writes the bones of the music, and the producer (along with U2) help flesh it out.

    I would also think that at this point in their career they need it more than ever. They've had 40 years of jamming out instruments, do you really think they're constantly busting out shit that surprises them? They all know what one another is capable of and they need someone with fresh ears to come in and help coax different things out of the music they make.

    Also something to remember is U2's quest for relevance. They want to stay modern, which is why they bring in producers who know what's popular and cool at the moment to help make U2's songwriting as modern as possible.
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