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  1. Hillary Clinton was a crook from way back. People saw through the medias lies. She was seen as distrustful more than Trump despite what the media told everyone. Im glad she isnt in there, she was a piece of trash and was kicked to the curb
  2. I feel uneasy, and upset. We really do not know what's going to happen now. I don't get a save feeling seeing Trump and Poetin being buddies. Women's right's down the toilet, and polarisation, guns everywhere in US.
    It really took some time before i good grasp the whole thing. This is going to hit us, but we will find out if it's an annoying prick, or we get a bigger hit that will be a black and blue page in history.
    My friends have a cute little son, he's not even 2 years old. What message is this for his future?
    Life goes on, and this is a moment for all people to learn.
  3. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    The judge of the Trump Univesity case was more American than the Super Bowl and for Trump all that counted was that he was "mexican" to disqualify him.
    Again, it is easy to say nothing wrong will happen... if you're white, not poor and christian, but he's going to kill women's rights to abortion, he's going to put sick people out of medical care, he's going to let people discriminate based on religion. Muslims may not be banned but it's all the same because due to Trump's rhetoric they are seen as terrorists and the enemy, just like after 9/11. Families will be set apart because of him. Children that came to this country without knowing will be deported and treated like criminals. The Iran peace deal will be abolished and all these countries are going to get nuclear arsenal again, etc. The press will be sued if you speak bad of him, the women that accused him of sexual harassment will be put to jail, etc.
    The comment he made about the judge was wrong, no doubt and I understand why it upset people but I still don't believe he hates or even dislikes Mexicans nor wants them to suffer and I think he's quite happy to have them legally in the country. personally I'm quite happy he's going to kill woman's right to abortion, it's the only form of murder that is socially accepted in my mind. I don't know enough about medical care in the U.S. but I'm very happy we have free healthcare here in the U.K. I don't think Trump alone can allow people discriminate based on religion or anything else, that's down to individuals to chose to behave properly he's not going to put a piece of legislation in that says you can't hire Mexicans, blacks, Hispanics, and employees will realise that they should employ someone based on skill not race or religion. I also don't agree that he'all be able to sue anyone who speaks bad of him or jail woman who have accused him, he's not going to achieve a complete overhaul of the justice system nor do I believe he wants to, I think his priority now will be the well being of the country. The comment you made about children being deported is a good point and certainly a sensitive issue that needs to be dealt with carefully. I don't have the answer to that I'm afraid, some people will say they should still be deported some will say they shouldn't I'm not going to form an opinion, except for to say I wouldn't want them to suffer as a result of any action.
  4. "We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead" Well said and what the country needed to hear.
  5. I have to say on the back of all the nonsense of the two campaigns and the debates the post result speeches have been a breath of fresh air, my respect for Hilary has increased massively with just they few words. Credit to all of the speakers so far i hope it allows things to at least begin on a positive note.
  6. Originally posted by bartajax:[..]

    Another thing that would frighten me if I was a well-thinking, progressive American: The whole system is now Republican. Let's go stop LGBT's and women rights, let's stop abortion, let's give everyone a gun. In other words go 40 years back in time with those religious idiots.


    I think we've talked before about religion, so I get your frustration...

    I'll just say two things in response:

    1. Not all Christians voted for Trump - as a Christian myself, I find Trump's campaign and character appalling and about as un-Christlike as can be. This still feels a little bit like a nightmare, even as my faith tells me to remain hopeful about the future.

    2. As a Christian who is also a white male, I apologize on behalf of the staggering number of white evangelical Christians who supported Trump. I do think many of them are well-meaning, good-intentioned people who for religious reasons stand against abortion and what they see as a redefinition of traditional marriage. But I still am trying to fathom how these two issues alone (really for the past 40 years in U.S. Republican politics) managed to convince enough Christians to vote for Trump, especially as many I know do admit that they deplore his xenophobic, race-baiting rhetoric. Regardless, it's very telling and very sad that this election divided Christians along racial lines more than ever (as most black and Hispanic Christians voted Clinton).
  7. Originally posted by bpt3:[..]


    I think we've talked before about religion, so I get your frustration...

    I'll just say two things in response:

    1. Not all Christians voted for Trump - as a Christian myself, I find Trump's campaign and character appalling and about as un-Christlike as can be. This still feels a little bit like a nightmare, even as my faith tells me to remain hopeful about the future.

    2. As a Christian who is also a white male, I apologize on behalf of the staggering number of white evangelical Christians who supported Trump. I do think many of them are well-meaning, good-intentioned people who for religious reasons stand against abortion and what they see as a redefinition of traditional marriage. But I still am trying to fathom how these two issues alone (really for the past 40 years in U.S. Republican politics) managed to convince enough Christians to vote for Trump, especially as many I know do admit that they deplore his xenophobic, race-baiting rhetoric. Regardless, it's very telling and very sad that this election divided Christians along racial lines more than ever (as most black and Hispanic Christians voted Clinton).
    I meant those religious idiots as in the Pence type of guys. I'm not religious myself and don't understand why people do it but I belief everyone should be free to do so. As long as people keep it to their selves and not bother anyone with it

    I think a lot of strong religious people aren't voting for Trump but more for Pence and the whole machine behind Trump. But still you can wonder what kind of Christian you are if you vote for Trump..... and I honestly wouldn't call people who are against abortion and rights for gay's etc. good people.
  8. I'm so sad to see the reverse discrimination and threats at people who voted for Trump.
  9. Originally posted by bartajax:[..]
    I meant those religious idiots as in the Pence type of guys. I'm not religious myself and don't understand why people do it but I belief everyone should be free to do so. As long as people keep it to their selves and not bother anyone with it

    I think a lot of strong religious people aren't voting for Trump but more for Pence and the whole machine behind Trump. But still you can wonder what kind of Christian you are if you vote for Trump..... and I honestly wouldn't call people who are against abortion and rights for gay's etc. good people.
    Not that I'd describe myself as a Christian more a believer in god but I don't see how you can say people against abortion aren't good people, not saying it defines you as a bad person to be for it but it's genuinely divisive issue. Im still to this day yet to be given a good argument as to why abortion should be legal except from perhaps women who have been raped. Gay rights again is divisive although Iam of the opinion gay people should be given equal rights if that's the right terminology. I have no problems with gay people but do have a problem with people who get pregnant behaving irresponsible only for them to decide that they don't want to keep the child, unacceptable.
  10. Originally posted by bartajax:[..]
    I meant those religious idiots as in the Pence type of guys. I'm not religious myself and don't understand why people do it but I belief everyone should be free to do so. As long as people keep it to their selves and not bother anyone with it

    I think a lot of strong religious people aren't voting for Trump but more for Pence and the whole machine behind Trump. But still you can wonder what kind of Christian you are if you vote for Trump..... and I honestly wouldn't call people who are against abortion and rights for gay's etc. good people.
    Agreed that many voted for Pence and the whole machine behind Trump, not Trump himself...

    But yeah, as a Christian myself I also agree that it is hard to justify this kind of logic. It's still a vote for Trump, after all, whose campaign overall stands antithetical to my understanding of the story of Scripture and the call of Jesus. I think most white Christians inherently acknowledge this, but their captivity to the Republican Party ideology is too strong. Again, it's very sad to me as a believer to see the election divide Christians among racial lines to this extent.
  11. Here's something that I find hard to believe: 53% of women voted Trump. This is a man who's entire life has demeaned women, sexually harassed them and bragged about that. He tried to have sex with married women, he mocked women by their looks, he insinuated that a TV reporter was tough with him because she was in her period, he cheated on all his wives, etc. And still, women voted for him!
  12. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    Not that I'd describe myself as a Christian more a believer in god but I don't see how you can say people against abortion aren't good people, not saying it defines you as a bad person to be for it but it's genuinely divisive issue. Im still to this day yet to be given a good argument as to why abortion should be legal except from perhaps women who have been raped. Gay rights again is divisive although Iam of the opinion gay people should be given equal rights if that's the right terminology. I have no problems with gay people but do have a problem with people who get pregnant behaving irresponsible only for them to decide that they don't want to keep the child, unacceptable.
    This is correct. It technically is the women's choice because it is her body however what about the choice of the baby??

    Let's say she gave birth and then decided "never mind" would that be acceptable to abort the baby then? This and a couple of other choices is why I HAD to go against Hillary.
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