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  1. Still want to know which one it was JD? Nokia 808 Pureview, 1020, 930? Just saw refurb 830's in oz for under €50. But I don't think the 830 is anywhere near as good as the 3 above. Still dreaming of the Panasonic CM1 with its 1" sensor & total manual control (even with a control ring around the lens).
  2. How big is the quality difference between the TZ90 and TZ100? Is it like the case with .flac and .mp3, where the quality difference is there, but barely noticeable?

    It doesn't feel very good to compare the quality of YouTube videos, since there is a slight loss of quality due to compression. And as sparko said, a lot have to do with the photographer.

    After some research, there seem to be a 29 minute 59 sec limit on most of the cameras in the EU. This seem to have to do with some EU law that would classify it as a video camera after 30 min, which adds more tax to it. Or have I completely got it wrong?
  4. Originally posted by ddarroch:Still want to know which one it was JD? Nokia 808 Pureview, 1020, 930? Just saw refurb 830's in oz for under €50. But I don't think the 830 is anywhere near as good as the 3 above. Still dreaming of the Panasonic CM1 with its 1" sensor & total manual control (even with a control ring around the lens).
    I had both the 1020 and the 930.
    Those are the two flagship models they had. The only con is its a windows phone which is SAD. cause hardly any app support. But purely based on camera. I miss it. The Oneplus and Iphone still don't have acamera half as good as those camera's. The in built stabiliataion in the 930 was expecially impressive. And video/ audio recordings where good as well. The other models are not up to par spec wise.

  5. I think it will be significant. The main advantages of the larger sensor in the TZ100 are more dynamic range (the difference in the light intensity of the shadows & the highlights), more control over depth of field (the ability to blur the background while keeping the subject in focus), & better low light performance. This last one is the most important for concert photography.

    Both cameras have slow (small aperture) lenses, which don't let a lot of light into the camera. The TZ90 is f/3.3-6.4, while the TZ100 is for/2.8-5.6 (lower is better, so the TZ100 had a slight advantage here). As a reference a fast f/1.4 lens will let in four times more light than an aperture of f/2.8, & sixteen times more light than an aperture of f/5.6!

    For concerts the shutter speed must be reasonably fast, to freeze motion without blurring. But concerts are a low light environment. If you have a reasonably fast shutter speed & a slow lens you must bump up the camera's ISO (sensitivity). The problem with high ISO is that it creates noise.

    An approximation of correct exposure of these cameras at a concert would be as follows (using an exposure value of 8, if you want to Google an exposure value chart);

    At a shutter speed of 1/125s, when zoomed out (at aperture f/2.8), you would need an ISO of 400. This ISO is reasonably high for the small sensor TZ90, though still acceptable. The larger sensor TZ100 will still perform well at this ISO.

    When zoomed in the aperture will close, admitting less light. At an aperture of f/5.6 the ISO required for correct exposure would be 1600! At this ISO the TZ90 will perform poorly, with a lot of noise. The TZ100 should be acceptable, though not brilliant.

    You may choose to use a slower shutter speed, around 1/60s. This will create a little bit of blur, which maybe ok for photos, & is actually a good idea for videos. For photos at 1/60s, you'll need an ISO of 200 when zoomed out, & 800 when zoomed in. So these photos won't be quite as noisy as those above (with the faster shutter speeds).

    I couldn't find any pics in the U2start gallery that Welsh_Edge linked, for either camera. The closest I could find is the Panasonic TZ60, which is quite similar to the TZ90, though a few years older (30x zoom & small 1/2.3” sensor).











    Check the pictures in their original full sizes. Notice the background of these photos, they are very noisy! The larger sensor TZ100 will produce much less noise.

  6. When I saw the €50 refurbs I though it was for the 930, so nearly lost my mind. I would have jumped on that! .... The 830, not so much.
  7. Originally posted by ddarroch:[..]

    I think it will be significant. The main advantages of the larger sensor in the TZ100 are more dynamic range (the difference in the light intensity of the shadows & the highlights), more control over depth of field (the ability to blur the background while keeping the subject in focus), & better low light performance. This last one is the most important for concert photography.

    Both cameras have slow (small aperture) lenses, which don't let a lot of light into the camera. The TZ90 is f/3.3-6.4, while the TZ100 is for/2.8-5.6 (lower is better, so the TZ100 had a slight advantage here). As a reference a fast f/1.4 lens will let in four times more light than an aperture of f/2.8, & sixteen times more light than an aperture of f/5.6!

    For concerts the shutter speed must be reasonably fast, to freeze motion without blurring. But concerts are a low light environment. If you have a reasonably fast shutter speed & a slow lens you must bump up the camera's ISO (sensitivity). The problem with high ISO is that it creates noise.

    An approximation of correct exposure of these cameras at a concert would be as follows (using an exposure value of 8, if you want to Google an exposure value chart);

    At a shutter speed of 1/125s, when zoomed out (at aperture f/2.8), you would need an ISO of 400. This ISO is reasonably high for the small sensor TZ90, though still acceptable. The larger sensor TZ100 will still perform well at this ISO.

    When zoomed in the aperture will close, admitting less light. At an aperture of f/5.6 the ISO required for correct exposure would be 1600! At this ISO the TZ90 will perform poorly, with a lot of noise. The TZ100 should be acceptable, though not brilliant.

    You may choose to use a slower shutter speed, around 1/60s. This will create a little bit of blur, which maybe ok for photos, & is actually a good idea for videos. For photos at 1/60s, you'll need an ISO of 200 when zoomed in, & 800 when zoomed out. So these photos won't be quite as noisy as those above (with the faster shutter speeds).

    I couldn't find any pics in the U2start gallery that Welsh_Edge linked, for either camera. The closest I could find is the Panasonic TZ60, which is quite similar to the TZ90, though a few years older (30x zoom & small 1/2.3” sensor).

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    Check the pictures in their original full sizes. Notice the background of these photos, they are very noisy! The larger sensor TZ100 will produce much less noise.
    Ha ha, my pictures! Those were taken with TZ60. This was a rather difficult environmet with no screen in the background, I got much better pictures with the same camera on the JT tour and some great pictures of The Rolling Stones the last year - you can see quite a lot of pictures I took with the TZ60 here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/125395939@N03/albums

    Anyway, I have the TZ100 now and I am really looking forward to take it to Berlin for the E+I tour. I tested it on one concert so far and I am really happy with the pictures, the 1'' sensor is amazing, the difference is huge. I mean - it is obviously a copmact camera and can not be compared to DSLR cameras, but yeh, it is a great value.
  8. the quality is very smudge-y though, no use looking at that in "high-res".
  9. Yes !! Please stay away from that thing David. Save yourself that 50 bucks.


    Happy i guess you used a lot of zoom thus its slowing down its shutter time. Either way no complaints here bc i still like your closeups . Looks very similar to the results i got with my canon bridge camera t
    Build in the same year i think. It was a bit too slow most of the time due to a 3,5 max aperature. But it was nice to have a shitload of zoom for the days that you where further away.
  10. Its pretty insane how quickly photography is progessing in lowlight / compact scale camera's. It just gets better each year.
    or now I'm happy with my canon EOS M but I will deffo be on the lookout for a good compact camera with RAW options and a decent aperature.

  11. 2009

  12. 2017, where you can basically see their whiskers and nosehair if you dig that kinda shit.


    These are both straight outa the camera, not edited I think. But that 2009 one is one of the only sharp pics I took of a moving person.
    Life is so much easier these days no matter which camera you have. A phone takes better pictures than a point in shoot in 2009.
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