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  1. And judging from this forum, you can add Trump to that list...


  2. History will tell though.
  4. Originally posted by ahn1991:I've heard this argument too, and unfortunately it's left me scratching my head. People say they want somebody who relates to the everyday working American and they choose a multi-billionaire real-estate mogul who hasn't paid a dime in taxes for decades? What?

    No matter how you cut it, they are either looking for a "political outsider" who has zero political experience and is ironically calling upon the establishment to fill his cabinet positions or they are looking for the "average American" dressed up as a billionaire who plasters his name in gold plating on every building he owns. It makes no sense until you realize the majority demographic supporting Trump are white males without college degrees. Then, it makes perfect sense.
    Yes and now the goal for the Democrats is to get those white males without college degrees back. And that is not gonna happen by calling them racists (altough some of them are). I don't want anything to do with those people, I don't like them, they shout and shout, some of them are racists or not smart enough to have a normal conversation with. But when you are a politicial party or a citizen who want's the country to change, you have to deal with those people. You have to talk to them and not talk down on them.

    For me that is a (the) big problem, we have to do something with those groups of people wether you like it or not.

    Still I don't understand or would have voted for Trump (I'm getting more and more scared seeing the people who are taking jobs) but I can see why people would and that's not just because they are racist or stupid. There lays the answer to finding eachother and to win elections, change the world.
  5. He's not? From everything I've seen and read, I was certain he was keeping company with them.
  6. Originally posted by ahn1991:I've heard this argument too, and unfortunately it's left me scratching my head. People say they want somebody who relates to the everyday working American and they choose a multi-billionaire real-estate mogul who hasn't paid a dime in taxes for decades? What?

    No matter how you cut it, they are either looking for a "political outsider" who has zero political experience and is ironically calling upon the establishment to fill his cabinet positions or they are looking for the "average American" dressed up as a billionaire who plasters his name in gold plating on every building he owns. It makes no sense until you realize the majority demographic supporting Trump are white males without college degrees. Then, it makes perfect sense.


    What exactly do you mean by political experience? You keep saying this like experience in politics is a great thing. So what great experience do politicians have that business people dont. Im not talking about Trump or anyone in particular, I just dont get it.
  7. politics,religions and lobbies are ruins of our society, i think everything must be considered , back to basics. IMO obviously, but sometimes it seems to me that socials and multimedia are bad things for human race, human being and human real conditions. Sorry but i'm too old ..........and Italy is in fact the worst example. All the best dear friends.
  8. and sorry as usual for my english of course, but i'm sure everybody will understand me
  9. Originally posted by ahn1991:I've heard this argument too, and unfortunately it's left me scratching my head. People say they want somebody who relates to the everyday working American and they choose a multi-billionaire real-estate mogul who hasn't paid a dime in taxes for decades? What?

    No matter how you cut it, they are either looking for a "political outsider" who has zero political experience and is ironically calling upon the establishment to fill his cabinet positions or they are looking for the "average American" dressed up as a billionaire who plasters his name in gold plating on every building he owns. It makes no sense until you realize the majority demographic supporting Trump are white males without college degrees. Then, it makes perfect sense.


    I just read your last two sentences " It makes no sense until you realize the majority demographic supporting Trump are white males without college degrees. Then, it makes perfect sense."
    Thats a racist comment To infer white people make stupid decisions because they dont have college degrees and that makes sense to you is highly offensive. You cant have discussions with people without being rude and offensive. You should stop until you can.
  10. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    Completely agree. We can discuss here about Castro's legacy. In Cuba, they cannot discuss anything. The communist party determines what they should say, think and believe.
    As a liberal, it disappoints me that the left in my country is praising him instead of looking at social democracies in Nordic countries for models.


    Just watched a great doc on HBO - Patrio O Muerte: Cuba, Fatherland or Death. Check it out...
  11. Originally posted by amansman:[..]


    What exactly do you mean by political experience? You keep saying this like experience in politics is a great thing. So what great experience do politicians have that business people dont. Im not talking about Trump or anyone in particular, I just dont get it.
    You do realize you are saying that relevant experience is not important when applying for a job, right? If you don't understand this basic concept there's really no point in having this conversation.

    Also, my comment regarding Trump's main support demographic is statistically accurate. Go ahead and check all the polls. As to why these people would support Trump, it's quite easy to deduce that when you think about it. These people hold jobs that do not require college degrees, therefore they do not really value education very much. Trump's number one tagline is his plan to somehow keep manufacturers in the United States. Most manufacturing jobs do not require college degrees, so this statement appeals to people who hold similar jobs. Additionally, Clinton has expressed a strong desire to continue making higher education more affordable. This statement does not relate to these people who do not value college degrees, so of course they won't vote for her.

    Furthermore, I'm not saying people make stupid decisions because they don't have college degrees, although few would fault that statement. I'm saying people who aren't educated tend to make uneducated decisions.
  12. Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]
    You do realize you are saying that relevant experience is not important when applying for a job, right? If you don't understand this basic concept there's really no point in having this conversation.

    Also, my comment regarding Trump's main support demographic is statistically accurate. Go ahead and check all the polls. As to why these people would support Trump, it's quite easy to deduce that when you think about it. These people hold jobs that do not require college degrees, therefore they do not really value education very much. Trump's number one tagline is his plan to somehow keep manufacturers in the United States. Most manufacturing jobs do not require college degrees, so this statement appeals to people who hold similar jobs. Additionally, Clinton has expressed a strong desire to continue making higher education more affordable. This statement does not relate to these people who do not value college degrees, so of course they won't vote for her.

    Furthermore, I'm not saying people make stupid decisions because they don't have college degrees, although few would fault that statement. I'm saying people who aren't educated tend to make uneducated decisions.
    The demographic shows that they dont have college degrees, doesnt say they are uneducated. In the real world most employers want experience over college degrees. Thats why so many graduates cant find jobs.

    Not very many of your points are strong. They are still racist and just plain wrong. You did place Politics in the same respect as Medicine. I think once you take out the condescending tone you dont have very good points. When I pointed out that the left made the same points you thought were racist you only challeneged the dates. You didnt even acknowledge the fact that your candidate made some major mistakes. So whats the point of you wanting anyone to listen to you when you fail to listen to anyone else?
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