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  1. Originally posted by Chrisssie:[..]
    So what about now they found out that respiration of the Covid19 cases is totally wrong and the people die from respiration???!!
    Do you read anything what the scientists and doctors publish????

    This is in German only, but you can put it in Deepl:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/monitor/beatmung-101.html

    "The risks are high, the successes questionable. Nevertheless, intubation is still the standard procedure when Covid-19 has a particularly severe course. "The belief is that this is due to the serious illness of the patient and not just to the therapy," said pulmonologist Dr. Gerhard Laier-Groeneveld from the pulmonary clinic in Neustadt im Harz. "

    So the people die because they're getting respiration, not because of Covid19.
    The article is about the risk of intubation, not respiration as such.

    Because covid-19 is a lung disease (i.e., inflammatory of lung tissue), some people need help with breathing - or rather, they need help getting oxygen into their blood, as that is what lungs are supposed to do. So, as a last resort, when respiratory aid with masks and/or ventilators is not enough (because there is too much fluid in the lungs), the patient will be intubated and, in most cases, brought into a coma. Patients will have to lie on their bellies as to keep the back side of the lungs free from fluid ("water").

    And again, the chances of survival are much higher when the patient has no other diseases and is in general good health. But it is definitely not a lost cause: more than 50% of all patients will survive. A problem however is that almost all survivors will have damaged lung tissue for the rest of their lives. No fun.
  2. Also even if most people recover, many need intensive care treatment which takes about 2 weeks, and many of those people are already in hospital for 2 weeks before that - so even though they get better, they still need up to 4, weeks of hospital treatment which is absolutely impossible to deal with if 75% of the population gets a disease (which I think it's roughly the accepted number of people who would get it if you just let it play out with no social distancing)
    Italy has about 16 ICU beds per 100,000 people
    Germany has about 12
    The UK has about 6.5 (the part of the UK I live in has 3)
    Also 30% of people who need ICU treatment also then need dialysis because they get kidney failure, so if you say (conservatively, just for the maths) that 10% of your infected population need ICU, that would be 21,500 in the UK, so 6300 of them would need dialysis - we don't have that many dialysis beds here, nowhere near (and that's just an arbitrary percentage that I know is definitely lower than the real figure, so in reality the numbers are a lot higher)
    Other coronaviruses like SARS and MERS had much higher death rates but were extremely localised, and didn't spread anything like how Covid-19 spreads
    People's health comes first, the economy doesn't even come second - we can dream with that later but it's no use if you're dead because you went to a protest and hugged a stranger
  3. Anyway there are many cheerier things to be doing, like getting ready to watch Slane
  5. No probably not but it's the first thing that came into my head ahaha, maybe 7 hours to convince my family to let me watch it in peace
  6. Depending how well Bo Jo's announcement goes later I may need to have a couple beers whilst watching slane lol.
  7. Oh don't even ? a couple may not quite do it...
  8. " No virus is better than a bad virus...Get Covid Done " etc
  10. Aaaaand back on topic again before I get in trouble - the world here is full of covid and everyone's dying, and at 7 we will have another announcement where Boris says many words that mean nothing at all
  11. How is Sweden doing with no social distancing? I haven’t heard from them in about two weeks. Just wondering if they are exploding with cases from not social distancing? People here in Florida are getting back to business as usual
  12. Originally posted by tampapete:How is Sweden doing with no social distancing? I haven’t heard from them in about two weeks. Just wondering if they are exploding with cases from not social distancing? People here in Florida are getting back to business as usual
    I have a good friend in Sweden and she says they're basically getting on with things and they all joke that Swedes do social distancing anyway cos they're awkward.... which to an extent is true, they leave each other alone in public in my experience
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