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  1. Actually my father did two tours in Iraq. He got a medal for courage under fire. (I'd specify which one, but I had a falling out with him.)
  2. The Copenhagen conference failed. I want a *yahoo* smiley.


  3. Yea...I could see it failing when it had just started...and it's really sad when you think why it failed, why can't the governments of the world agree on a plan to save the planet...when you think that it's probably because of the money that they would lose, it hurts.
  4. Originally posted by Ali709:[..]

    Yea...I could see it failing when it had just started...and it's really sad when you think why it failed, why can't the governments of the world agree on a plan to save the planet...when you think that it's probably because of the money that they would lose, it hurts.


    I actually don't think that global warming is real, or is caused by human. Countries are gonna waste money on reducing emissions while they could put them into sciene, research or humanitarian aid for poor countries and do something real.
  5. I read on the Guardian that China mainly is to blame - apparently not only did China opposed a final agreement, but it also opposed the reduction of 80% of carbon emissions by 2050 that the western countries had set for *themselves*. What is more, China's prime minister wasn't present - there was a representative of the prime minister, who had to call the prime minister from time to time to receive orders, keeping everyone (Obama, Merkl etc.) waiting. The Guardian's journalist claims this is true because he actually was there. The Guardian's journalist suggested (among other things) that one of the reasons why China can be so bold is that China's public opinion isn't very sensitive to climate issues, as opposed to Europe and the US.

    Anyway, they all sat and discussed together, and this already something - hopefully it'll go better next time, although we are precisely running *out* of time...



  6. These two things are incompatible my friend: if it is not real, it is not caused by anybody, and if it is not caused by humans, then it is real.

    I wish it wasn't real, but I'm afraid climate is changing, and I'm also afraid it's very likely that reversing millions of tons of CO2 in the atmosphere may have something to do with it...

    I also think resources should more equally distributed. It is just that I don't think one issue is real and the other isn't - unfortunately, I think both are.
  7. Originally posted by JuJuman:[..]

    These two things are incompatible my friend: if it is not real, it is not caused by anybody, and if it is not caused by humans, then it is real.

    I wish it wasn't real, but I'm afraid climate is changing, and I'm also afraid it's very likely that reversing millions of tons of CO2 in the atmosphere may have something to do with it...

    I also think resources should more equally distributed. It is just that I don't think one issue is real and the other isn't - unfortunately, I think both are.


    It's really just 0,0000000001% of the problem.
    Funny how people like to think that we can really affect the globe.
    I mean: get it together.

    There's no snowball chance in hell that mother earth is really intrigued by us human beings.


  8. That maybe so, but when all of them can't come to an agreement the entire world (or at least its leaders) is to blame. Not just China...

  9. Originally posted by markp91:[..]

    It's really just 0,0000000001% of the problem.
    Funny how people like to think that we can really affect the globe.
    I mean: get it together.

    There's no snowball chance in hell that mother earth is really intrigued by us human beings.



    Well, I've recently read one of Jared Diamond's latest books, 'Collapse'. He teaches at UCLA, and he has won a Pulitzer Prize - the guy's serious, and the book is very well documented.

    It includes among other things several case studies of collapses of entire societies (the Greenland Norse, Easther Island etc.). Climate change is only one factor among many, and often it is independent of human activities, I agree. But human activities like mining and deforestation can very well, together with other factors, determine the collapse of a society. They can because they have done so in the past, and they may do so in the future.
  10. Originally posted by markp91:[..]
    Funny how people like to think that we can really affect the globe.
    I mean: get it together.

    There's no snowball chance in hell that mother earth is really intrigued by us human beings.



    So you think radioactivity may not affect mother earth...?
  11. Originally posted by markp91:[..]

    It's really just 0,0000000001% of the problem.
    Funny how people like to think that we can really affect the globe.
    I mean: get it together.

    There's no snowball chance in hell that mother earth is really intrigued by us human beings.



    So, that's your answer? That's the easiest way to say: "Let's do nothing because it won't help anyway", right? This way, our planet is most definitely going down the drain.

  12. Originally posted by markp91:[..]

    Funny how people like to think that we can really affect the globe.
    I mean: get it together.

    There's no snowball chance in hell that mother earth is really intrigued by us human beings.



    I don't think it's funny. What makes you think we don't affect the globe? I see a big chance for that, and I see everyday how we've affected this planet.
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