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Originally posted by Mr_Trek:I think that GK could probably have taken it a little bit easier. He could've just tackled him to the ground easily. Football player in excellent shape vs Drunk person can only end one way. His reaction is understandable though.

+1 .. he was already on the ground

Mr_Trek

13 years

Yeah, he could've just held him to the ground.

iTim

13 years

Regardless of whether he was being attacked or not it's not his job to reprimand pitch invaders. He should have just pushed him to the ground and left it for the stewards. Kicking seven shades of you know what through him was asking for a red card for violent conduct. Defend yourself then get back to the task at hand, don't try and make yourself look big in front of 50,000 people. Deserved red card, deserves three match ban and warning for future conduct and that's it. In the England it's not possible to overturn a red card because the referees decision is final. I doubt Ajax will be kicked out of the competition in all honesty, probably fined for failure to control their fans. Goalkeeper's actions will have no impact on the outcome because he's been punished. The referee's decision would've been to forfeit the game in Alkmaar's? favour if he had deemed it not safe, but he didn't.

Originally posted by bartajax:according to the FIFA (Hey Fifa where do we know them from) rules the ref should give a red card to the GK because he uses violence on the field, a really stupid rule imo.

Violence is not acceptable, particularly from a sportsperson who may be a role model to younger players. The fan will get his punishment and he took the beating.

Originally posted by MacStripey:Security is incredibly poor when someone like that can run onto the field like that.

It's a football match not a prison. I'd say the problem is alcohol at football matches not security.

Originally posted by MacStripey:
The reaction of the Verbeek manager is one I've not seen before. Drama. But understandable.

Reminds me of the childish reaction from Lille in the Champions League a few years ago.

bartajax

13 years

I completely agree with Verbeek to step of the field, its time the players, trainers and clubs are going to do something against the ones who destroy the game; UEFA and Fifa.
And the reason why that guy could go so easily on the field is because straight behind the goal of Estaban there is a big platform for disabled people so that they can see the game in the stadium too, but dont ask me what the stewards are doing. How can someone could go so easily on the field

clover68

13 years

about security i think lot of countries, if not all, should learn from England, thinking what they did and where they were at years ago

MacStripey

13 years

Originally posted by iTim:

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It's a football match not a prison. I'd say the problem is alcohol at football matches not security.

you don't need to build up a prison-like something to keep (drunk) people from running on the field. it's easily done with a ditch (word?) between visitors and field. works fine everywhere. why not in Amsterdam? next time someone gets seriously injured on the field. who excuses the poor attacker then?

and I've seen so many sober "fans" at football games who got verbally aggressive without alcohol. that cannot be the one reason.

edit: I didn't see your last comment before I posted, Bart. So the man came from the disabled area in front of the visitor area, right? well, then it pretty much is on account of the security staff that they let him run onto the field.

bartajax

13 years

I dont know if its possible to secure the stadiums so that it is impossible to go on the field, even at the WC final a idiot could go in the field.

Rumors now are that that guy was using drunk and under influence of drugs and he already wasnt allowed to go in the stadium so once again I ask HOW THE FUCK DOES SOMEONE GETS IN THE STADIUM AND ON THE FIELD

clover68

13 years

nobody is excusing the guy here i guess

Mr_Trek

13 years

Nobody's excusing the guy. But the GK's behavior isn't acceptable either. Even if it's understandable to a degree.

bartajax

13 years

I think you would react the same way

Imagine your playing a soccer game and all of a sudden you see someone coming at you trying to kick you, your full of adrenaline, I would do the same thing.