1. It depends on what you call Ultra's. If you mean ''fans'' who go to a match or just a stadium to fight than I completely agree.

    But if you mean people who go to every home and away match I dont agree.
  2. Originally posted by bartajax:It depends on what you call Ultra's. If you mean ''fans'' who go to a match or just a stadium to fight than I completely agree.

    But if you mean people who go to every home and away match I dont agree.

    No, I mean fans who specifically go to games to intimidate the opposition and their fans both inside and outside of the ground. Granted, they are a different breed to us fans, but they exist.

    "Ultras are a type of sports fans renowned for their fanatical and elaborate displays of "support". They are predominantly European and followers of football teams. The behavioral tendency of ultras groups includes the use of flares (primarily in tifo choreography), chanting/singing in large groups and the displaying of banners at football stadiums, all of which are designed to create an atmosphere which they believe encourages their own team and intimidates opposing players and supporters."
  3. News for those Pogba fans out there - he's just come on for Paul Scholes with 20 minutes left.

    And every touch is being cheered by the United fans...
  4. in the latest discussion i find myself completely agreed with Tim and completely disagreed with Sergio .. i and Tim are much similar living football than Sergio is
    we like it of course but plus we have a deep a strong passion for a team ( i dare to include Bart too for example) .. this lead us to feel involved, be part of the team and so get emotions from it.
    i don't think that the parallel between football team and band are that wrong.
    Sergio, you say they are just 11 guys just playing, right then you can say as well that a band are just 4/5 guys playing .. even the verb (in english at least) is the same hehe (similar words my dad was used to say years and years ago seeing me so passionate for U2)
    i think that when someone doesn't feel similar emotions for something as another one, he little hardly understand some behaviour of the other for it

    there's a little/big difference between ultra and fans
    often in what ultras do there's a connotation that stand outside football itself .. my opinion .. i'm not a sociologist or a psychologist
  5. and by the way ... we finally won!!!!!

    right in time for tomorrow match ...
  6. completely +1 to what you said, Ronnie.
  7. Ronnie is right.

    And we(:p) are totally back in the race for the title
  8. How's the time to get into form Ronnie and Bart.
  9. How is now ????

    But Ajax is back in the race, there are 6 teams in The Netherlands who could still become champion. I dont see Ajax make it because they arent constant enough.

    Great to see Swansea defeated City. I really hope United is going to make it, in Italy I hope AC Milan is going to win the title.
  10. I meant 'Now' - stupid phone.

    Man City were pulled apart yesterday. United are the only team to go to Wales and actually beat them (Out of United, Man City, Spurs, Chelsea & Arsenal). If Swansea had scored their penalty early on it could've been a different story because when Man City went behind after 80 minutes, they started to press a lot more.

    Something isn't right at that club though. Barry was brought off after 37 minutes and he was less than happy. Reports of a fight between Toure and Balotelli at half time in the tunnel. Four defeats from their last eight away games (in fact, I think they drew the other four) - you can not win the league on home games alone. United have a much easier run in than Man City. Man City have actually six away games in the remaining ten...

    Man City have to play Chelsea at home, tricky away day at Stoke, Arsenal away, Newcastle Away, Man Utd at home...

    Man Utd on the other hand have five home games, and play four of the bottom five teams. Our only challenge really is the away game at Man City but we beat them there in the FA Cup in January and may be further ahead of them come April.

    I think Man Utd should take some credit for Ajax's turn of fortune
  11. Man City have a team where - even though they have some great players & have Mancini has a manager - they will simply not work together well. Personally, I want to see them win the league, but they probably won't win it because of the games they have remaining.

    As for Gareth Barry getting subbed and complaining, he can't say anything. He's shit.