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Rolling Stone magazines 25 most underrated guitarist of all time. The lack of Mr. Evans is disapointing.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/10/01/the-twenty-five-most-underrated-guitarists/

Hans23

17 years

Originally posted by wtshnnfb01Rolling Stone magazines 25 most underrated guitarist of all time. The lack of Mr. Evans is disapointing.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/10/01/the-twenty-five-most-underrated-guitarists/

No Bellamy either on that list, or the 100 greatest guitarists. Not really surprised though, it the Rolling Stone magazine after all.

wtshnnfb01

17 years

They usually give Edge credit though. Other than that that video, is awesome. Streets sounds cool on a Jazzmaster. He oughta play it like that live. Also, anyone else realize, that with sunglasses, and a baseball cap Edge looks like any other OWD? (ordinary white dude) Probally what he was going for.

thechicken

17 years

Originally posted by anstratdubh1979Well understand that if one were to upgrade and use Seth Lover pickups in their Les Paul... HE invented humbuckers. HE made the first PAF's for Gibson. So if you were upgrading a Epiphone or a 1970-1990 or 2008 Les Paul to Seth Lover humbuckers... You'd be getting true 1958-1960 era humbuckers.

Lindy Fralin's, Burstbuckers... ALSO are recreations of the vintage stuff. So if you have a 1975... not necessarly considered a "Great" era of Les Paul and you were to upgrade with some that I have mentioned... you would truly being helping the guitar sound better.

Recreations are not real vintage stuff. And "sound better" is a matter of opinion. Just my opinions.

anstratdubh1979

17 years

Originally posted by thechicken[..]

Recreations are not real vintage stuff. And "sound better" is a matter of opinion. Just my opinions.

In the case of Seth Lover humbuckers, the ARE as good as the real stuff; he invented the feckers.

And in the case of many other 'replacement' pickups I mentioned (and others I could), they are better than some original. They are certainly far superior to stock Epiphone pickups.

WojBhoy

17 years

Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

In the case of Seth Lover humbuckers, the ARE as good as the real stuff; he invented the feckers.

And in the case of many other 'replacement' pickups I mentioned (and others I could), they are better than some original. They are certainly far superior to stock Epiphone pickups.

Ahaha

*at this point, Jeff is still following his "Seth Lover humbuckers rock my socks" line of approach, and refuses to drop it*

I do agree with you, must be said

thechicken

17 years

Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

In the case of Seth Lover humbuckers, the ARE as good as the real stuff; he invented the feckers.

And in the case of many other 'replacement' pickups I mentioned (and others I could), they are better than some original. They are certainly far superior to stock Epiphone pickups.

How do you define better in music?

anstratdubh1979

17 years

Originally posted by thechicken[..]

How do you define better in music?

Better in music? I never said. Better in pickups? I have.

The sound of stock Epiphone pickups are not as 'desireable' to me, most that I have met and the majority of those I have come across in my 41 years of life. The tone and musicality of Epiphone stock pickups, are not as musical or sonically desireable to those of Gibson stock pickups, vintage PAFs, T-Tops, Burstbuckers and the previously mentioned replacement pickups.

If you like your stock pickups, go for it.

anstratdubh1979

17 years

Originally posted by thechicken[..]

Recreations are not real vintage stuff. And "sound better" is a matter of opinion. Just my opinions.

Ugh.

Seems you've missed my initial point. But that's okay.

No one said that 'recreations' are the 'real stuff'. NO ONE.

What was said was that there are a great number of pickups that will make an stock Epiphone Les Paul, for instance, sound better, less shrill, less SHIT and more like the more desireble tones of say... 1958-1960 Les Paul.

What was also asked was that were in Edge's Les Paul's. I mentioned that after getting a good look at them... it appeared they were stock T-Tops. I also mentioned that I had heard that Dallas many of Edge's guitars have had the bridge pickup's rewound. I also pointed out that if Edge had done this to his 1975 it certainly didn't hurt it, as it sounded great. AND it wasn't like he defiled the guitar.

But... whatever.

RattleandHum1988

17 years

Originally posted by anstratdubh1979[..]

Ugh.

Seems you've missed my initial point. But that's okay.

No one said that 'recreations' are the 'real stuff'. NO ONE.

What was said was that there are a great number of pickups that will make an stock Epiphone Les Paul, for instance, sound better, less shrill, less SHIT and more like the more desireble tones of say... 1958-1960 Les Paul.

What was also asked was that were in Edge's Les Paul's. I mentioned that after getting a good look at them... it appeared they were stock T-Tops. I also mentioned that I had heard that Dallas many of Edge's guitars have had the bridge pickup's rewound. I also pointed out that if Edge had done this to his 1975 it certainly didn't hurt it, as it sounded great. AND it wasn't like he defiled the guitar.

But... whatever.

jesus, you guys are getting Strat all riled up! I totally get what you mean man, I'll look into the ones you mentioned. It seems like a lot of people over-reacted about the whole vintage to new thing. I totally knew what you were talking about. Haha. This whole thing started about me asking what pickups to get to make it sound like Edge, and it got into an argument about how a vintage guitar shouldn't be getting new pickups or different ones because it wouldn't be vintage. Talk about a misunderstanding!

anstratdubh1979

17 years

Oh I'm not so riled.

Although I did just shell out 650.00 in car repairs! (Good guitar money gone! Meh!)

I did try to clarify some points... but anywho...

anstratdubh1979

17 years

It seems it isn't the pickup alone that makes The Edge sound like The Edge. Bono has said that he's played Edge's guitar through Edge's rig and sounded shit.

That said, Edge used to play New Years Day on a Strat. Yet for the last 3+ tours it's been played with a Les Paul. It sounds good with both.

The same can be said of Bullet The Blue Sky. "Traditionally" he's used a Stratocaster. During PopMart, he used the 30th Anniversary Gibson Les Paul goldtop. Was the tone different? Some. But he's constantly experimenting and tones chance a bit tour to tour and from the beginning to ending of a tour anyway... So the difference between his using the Strat and the 20th Anniv LP goldtop are about as much as his amp/effects setting from one tour to the next.

Another reason why there is a bit less difference is that Edge has experiemented with non-stock bridge pickups in his Stratocasters in the past. He's also had many custom wound to be a bit 'hotter' and closer to that of a humbucker.

Guitar tone can be subjective, as one person pointed out, to SOME extent. In that, one can get decent tones from various guitars, effects and amps. But tone starts with the player. Tone starts with your hands.

So what do you need for 'good' tone? Start with practicing and getting your technique and feel down. A decent guitar and a decent amp will accentuate the positive aspects of your practice. By that, I don't mean practicing scales or playing fast. Get your timing, vibrato and playing clean down. Sounds 'goofy' but "be one with the guitar". That is the first element.

I remember a survey once... What is The Edge's most important piece of equipment. Some mentioned various guitars, some mentioned his main Vox AC30, some mentioned his racks of effects and one even mentioned Dallas Schoo organizing all of it! Not bad choices. But the two most important pieces of The Edge's gear are:
1) His hand and touch on the instrument.
2) His imagination.

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