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  2. Originally posted by djrlewis:I think Yeah summarised it quite well in my opinion. My main feeling is that if you don't want it shared on 'inferior' servers (how is that any less insulting than us disrespecting the tapers 'demands') then don't put it on the Internet in the first place (and certainly dont start a topic with a link to your own website where you then have a go at our site). There seems to be an incredible snobbery amongst a small minority of tapers about something that isn't even yours to get possesive over in the first place once you put it in the public domain. I know you taped it and your skill at this is to be celebrated, but if you want to control how your recording is shared (don't get that myself, but each to their own) then don't use the Internet. You don't own the intellectual rights therefore your demands have no more hold than our wish to create an open-to-all site for music sharing.

    IMO of course.


    +1

    Personally I'd rather have a go on all the idiots taking YOUR (taper's) recording and selling them...

    Anyhow u2start should make sure to NOT post MP3 bootlegs of shows if taper's don't want it to be spread in a lossy format - even THOUGH it's the internet. Simply as that.
  3. As some of you know from some of my previous posts, I'm alergic to that JulienLoseless guy, because he's an egomaniac and nothing else.

    Originally posted by Remy:Maybe I have one thing to say here and that is that this site has always been about one thing: sharing. Sharing for free, because that's what U2 and U2 fans are all about.


    Remy said it all, bootlegs are for sharing and most of the tapers tape a show and upload them ASAP for hundreds of fans and don't demand rediculous things.

    Personally, I download most of the bootlegs in mp3. Then if I think that the bootleg is brilliant I download it in the FLAC. Yeah, FLAC is not rocket science, I mean, I can write tutorial for anyone of you who wants to know how to play it, I'll be glad to. But you know, not everyone has time and nerves to convert every show to mp3 to play it in his iPod. People want to download something and use it right away.

    Originally posted by mrbullet:Just a little thought for the tapers. It's not your music Simple as that.
    Don't put someone else's music 'out there' and then act as though its yours and everyone has to obey your requests.


    Absolutelly right! Whatever we think about it, taping of the shows is illegal. Yeah, guys from U2 are okay with it, but at it's core taping is violation of author rights. But people do it and I'm grateful to them, as we all are.

    But it's just insane to do such things and then have specially demands like you're Bono's left testicle.

    Share it or don't share it and shut up, because you know that someone will convert your FLAC to mp3. Julien got even to a higher level because he goes to U2 forum and says: "Hey guys, I have a brilliant recording of that show, but you'll never hear it, you bastards!".

    WTF, again - share it or don't share it and shut the f-word up.

    Cheers.
  5. Originally posted by Yogi:As some of you know from some of my previous posts, I'm alergic to that JulienLoseless guy, because he's an egomaniac and nothing else.

    now that is a useful sentence, congrats. my ego is really pleased you think of me all the time. i hope you didn't sneeze too much because of me, did you ?

    Originally posted by Yogi:Share it or don't share it and shut up, because you know that someone will convert your FLAC to mp3. Julien got even to a higher level because he goes to U2 forum and says: "Hey guys, I have a brilliant recording of that show, but you'll never hear it, you bastards!".


    yeah sure, Julien came and posted full iem recordings of new songs, that is such a pity to offer good quality recordings of new unreleased songs (should i had) to fans. now if you don't mind the subject of this thread isn't my person like you seem to imply but respect about traders' wishes, which you seem to not support.

    why is there so much people not caring about others' wishes, that almost makes me puke when i read most of the post i see above this one. while they might be illegal recordings there is still an interesting point, the taper is the producer of that recording, and while the content of the recording could be illegal, the recording by itself is the taper's property and because of that he clearly have the right to impose whatever conditions and whatever licence with his recording. so when not respecting some taper's conditions you actually DO break the law.
  6. Originally posted by loftarasa:[..]

    +1

    Personally I'd rather have a go on all the idiots taking YOUR (taper's) recording and selling them...

    Anyhow u2start should make sure to NOT post MP3 bootlegs of shows if taper's don't want it to be spread in a lossy format - even THOUGH it's the internet. Simply as that.


    It's true we could take the moral higher ground and not post lossy files for a show if the taper has made that request; HOWEVER it goes against what we stand for as a site - to make it as simple as possible for EVERYBODY to be able to share great live recordings of U2. And to be blunt, if we didn't do it, someone else would. We always include lineage so the fantastic job the taper has done gets it's due praise and really what greater feeling should there be than knowing hundreds/thousands of poeple are grateful to you for a fantastic memory of a live show.
  7. Its Juliens right to keep his recordings, be grateful for what we have We all keep things to our selves, bootlegs, girlfriends, etc
  9. Originally posted by JulienLossless:[..]
    now that is a useful sentence, congrats. my ego is really pleased you think of me all the time. i hope you didn't sneeze too much because of me, did you ?

    [..]

    yeah sure, Julien came and posted full iem recordings of new songs, that is such a pity to offer good quality recordings of new unreleased songs (should i had) to fans. now if you don't mind the subject of this thread isn't my person like you seem to imply but respect about traders' wishes, which you seem to not support.

    why is there so much people not caring about others' wishes, that almost makes me puke when i read most of the post i see above this one. while they might be illegal recordings there is still an interesting point, the taper is the producer of that recording, and while the content of the recording could be illegal, the recording by itself is the taper's property and because of that he clearly have the right to impose whatever conditions and whatever licence with his recording. so when not respecting some taper's conditions you actually DO break the law.


    That final point you make is utter garbage and if you were battling for moral higher ground in this debate (because that's what it is) then that just lost you a point or three.

    Some people don't respect what you as tapers do within this community; that is a shame but it happens in every walk of life. The vast majority of us do and are very grateful for you sharing your endeavours with us. That doesn't mean we have to agree with, or necessarily adhere to, demands that you make (on occasion) when sharing such recordings.
  10. Originally posted by djrlewis:[..]

    It's true we could take the moral higher ground and not post lossy files for a show if the taper has made that request; HOWEVER it goes against what we stand for as a site - to make it as simple as possible for EVERYBODY to be able to share great live recordings of U2. And to be blunt, if we didn't do it, someone else would. We always include lineage so the fantastic job the taper has done gets it's due praise and really what greater feeling should there be than knowing hundreds/thousands of poeple are grateful to you for a fantastic memory of a live show.


    But if there are already 2 sources for a concert, would there really be a need to break taper's wishes by uploading their (then 3rd source) as MP3, too?


  12. It's absolutely his right, but it doesn't endear you to folk when you brag about having something they can't have; smacks of being back in the school playground.
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