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  1. Originally posted by Doc32:[..]

    I'm not a big fan of Obama, actually i'm not a fan at all, but publishing state security information is against United States interests. I'd have no problem watching this guy fry




    The way tens of thousands of innocent people were fried by the politics of USA government?

    Truth should be above all other interests. And the truth showed that USA diplomats act like world Sheriffs.
  2. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]



    The way tens of thousands of innocent people were fried by the politics of USA government?

    Truth should be above all other interests. And the truth showed that USA diplomats act like world Sheriffs.


    Good now terrorists can have vital security information stolen from the US government which outlines key targets which are vulnerable to strike. The potential deaths of thousands of innocent Americans is an acceptable tradeoff for the "truth"
  3. And let's not act like it's just the United States. Plenty of other countries have blood on their hands from these documents from what i've heard.
  4. Originally posted by LikeASong:By no means it's "pedantic", what the hell. I'm just tired of hearing America meaning the USA. In fact, the whole continent is called America and is subdivided into South America, North America, Central America and the Antilles.

    And the fact that something's widely accepted doesn't mean that it's right, are you crazy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels or what?


    I have no idea how comparing the use of 'America' as a term for the US to Nazi propaganda constitutes an argument.

    And actually it's not even being pedantic, just incorrect:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/america

    A·mer·i·ca
       /əˈmɛrɪkə/ Show Spelled[uh-mer-i-kuh] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    United States.
    2.
    North America.
    3.
    South America.
    4.
    Also called the Americas. North and South America, considered together.



    The United States of America (also referred to as the United States, the U.S., the USA, or America)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

    And of course basic logic would defeat any argument that 'America' is an incorrect term for the US as US citizens are called "Americans" and not United Statesians or United States of Americans etc.

    So for English speakers at least, it is perfectly fine to use America


  6. Ahem, that's not proven as yet and it is hardly a coincidence that a high profile character like Assange just happens to be wanted for a sex crime.

    Freedom of information is the basis of any democracy - this is hardly any different to the oft criticized government censorship in China and North Korea - either you believe that public should know the truth or you prefer Orwellian governments who seek to manipulate perceptions of reality.
  7. Originally posted by vanquish:[..]

    Ahem, that's not proven as yet and it is hardly a coincidence that a high profile character like Assange just happens to be wanted for a sex crime.

    Freedom of information is the basis of any democracy - this is hardly any different to the oft criticized government censorship in China and North Korea - either you believe that public should no the truth or you prefer Orwellian governments who seek to manipulate perceptions of reality.


    Not all information should be able to be freely accessed by the public though. Especially when it potentially compromises the safety of the public who the information would be free to
  8. Originally posted by vanquish:I have no idea how comparing the use of 'America' as a term for the US to Nazi propaganda constitutes an argument.

    And actually it's not even being pedantic, just incorrect:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/america
    [..]

    [..]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

    And of course basic logic would defeat any argument that 'America' is an incorrect term for the US as US citizens are called "Americans" and not United Statesians or United States of Americans etc.

    So for English speakers at least, it is perfectly fine to use America

    I wasn't comparing Goebbels with the use of America as a term for the USA, I was comparing Goebbels with your argument!! Goebbel's most famous quote is "A lie repeated thousands of times becomes a truth" and I thought your argument of 'It's widely accepted that America means USA' seemed a bit like that to me.

    Well, I'm not a native English speaker and therefore I can't give my direct opinion on that, but miscalling America to the USA is a widely recognised mistake in Spanish, yes or yes, there's no discussion on that. And I think it's a bad habit also for English speakers, a mistake that is so common that's not regarded as a mistake anymore.
  9. I dislike Assange, but after doing some research, I can safely say the rape charge is in all liklihood, bullshit.
  10. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    I wasn't comparing Goebbels with the use of America as a term for the USA, I was comparing Goebbels with your argument!! Goebbel's most famous quote is "A lie repeated thousands of times becomes a truth" and I thought your argument of 'It's widely accepted that America means USA' seemed a bit like that to me.

    Well, I'm not a native English speaker and therefore I can't give my direct opinion on that, but miscalling America to the USA is a widely recognised mistake in Spanish, yes or yes, there's no discussion on that. And I think it's a bad habit also for English speakers, a mistake that is so common that's not regarded as a mistake anymore.


    Well, the difference is that it's just language development, if the vast majority of people know that America means the USA then what it means - like the colour blue is called blue and not red, I can start calling blue 'red' and there is absolutely no objective or scientific argument to say that I should be calling blue 'blue' - it is just that language has evolved to call them those names.

    As an English speaker, I can assure you that there is absolutely no problem in calling the USA, America - politicians, journalists, authors, poets all use America as a casual term for the USA.
  11. Its official, Virginia has told the left, they can take Obamacare, and shove it.

    Guess telling people there too dumb to appreciate something aint a good strategy.
  12. Obamacare is dying a little more everyday.
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