Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]
Proving gun control does not work.
Yeah sure, it would've been better if all of them had guns. That would mean urban war.
Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]
Proving gun control does not work.
Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]
They've fired on each other again.
Originally posted by vanquish:[..]
Well, if the riots are dying down then that's good. I disagree about the race thing, it should be mentioned - you can be sure if the Muslims started rioting it would be in the headlines, the communities involved should be held responsible for the actions of their youth.
It is very much a product of hip hop culture which glorifies crime, defiance of police and the authority and values conspicous consumption.
And anyway being poor is not an excuse to loot shoe stores for those hi top sneakers you can't afford, much less an invitation to go around causing wanton destruction.
As for the lack of investment in a future, while due to the current economic climate jobs and opportunities are harder to come by in Britain, let's not forget that you still have an expansive social security program and this is nothing like being a youth in sub-saharan Africa or India or even countries like Greece and Albania.
This behaviour is really the equivalent of children throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want, it really is disgusting.
Originally posted by WojBhoy:[..]
It's not a race thing, the rioters are not all black, they're not all white, it's a mix. You only need to watch the coverage to see that. To be honest, I've seen more white youths than blacks, but that's just me and I've not spent my entire time watching the coverage because I want to sleep at some point.
I agree, being poor isn't an excuse to loot - there are no excuses to loot - but the fact remains that in relation to the society we have, those youths are in the lowest place and are disenchanted and disengaged (for a host of reasons and with a host of issues that need to be addressed). And you say about social security etc., I grant you that we're better off than a lot of countries and I don't pretend it to be any other way, but that doesn't mean those in poverty here are no less deserving of help than those in sub-Saharan Africa. Clearly, the reaction to their situation is different, but a youth living in poverty is still a youth living in poverty, whether it's here or in the Sudan. Cuts are being made here that are severely affecting social welfare, and yes while we still have it, humans cannot accustom themselves to drastic change overnight, and that's what we're seeing here and frankly it's getting worse in comparison to what it was. The people who need the help most are not getting it as much as they need, nor on the level they need. That said, this is making it sound like some kind of political protest, which it clearly isn't. It is opportunistic and it needs to stop now, but it's a far more multi-layered issue than a group of young people thinking 'yeah why not, let's go ransack PC World'.
Again, I don't condone anything the rioters are doing, I think it's shameful and shocking, but I'm not going to sit here, brand them as criminalistic thugs and think that's as far as it needs to go.
Originally posted by Andrew_C:[..]
Surely north fired 1st?
Originally posted by LikeASong:Whether I agree with you or not (which I do most of the times), Harry, it's always a pleasure reading such intricately elaborated written opinions.
Originally posted by Andrew_C:they played a BBC radio interview on the news tonight, it was a phone call between BBC and two teenage girls who have been rioting. What the girls were saying made absolutely no sense, i got pissed off just listening to them. from when i started listening it went something like this
Girls: "Yeh we got a few free things (they laugh)"
BBC: "why are you doing this?"
Girls: "to get back at the government, to show the police that they cant control us ..........."
BBC: " but the buildings you are looting and destroying are in your own community"
Girls: "yeh but its rich people, they own their own business, they are rich, they have money, they arent like us"
Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]
They've fired on each other again.
Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]
Yeah sure, it would've been better if all of them had guns. That would mean urban war.
Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]
When you dont know who else might have a gun, you be more cautious about using yours.
Hell, Russia has insane gun laws, and a murder rate higher than just about anywhere else in the civilized world.
Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]
When you dont know who else might have a gun, you be more cautious about using yours.
Hell, Russia has insane gun laws, and a murder rate higher than just about anywhere else in the civilized world.
Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]
Russia is not like the west. That country has some other serious issues. I think Russia doesn't deserve to be compared to the United States.
