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  1. Originally posted by Risto:She doesnt need tax to redistribute her money....

    I am all for social help and equal chances in life. But people have their own responsibilities as well.


    +1.


  2. the thing is, most of America is against that, and seeing as politicians like to keep there jobs.
  3. In my opinion there is no alternative solution, yeah making it all free. But then you'd forcefully pay it by taxes.
  4. Originally posted by Risto:In my opinion there is no alternative solution, yeah making it all free. But then you'd forcefully pay it by taxes.


    Most Americans don't want it that way, and really our opinions really the only ones that matter concerning how our country is ran.
  6. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01[..]

    Most Americans don't want it that way, and really our opinions really the only ones that matter concerning how our country is ran.


    You americans do what you want to do, its just my opinion
  7. Originally posted by Guenther:[..]

    Why exactly? The point of his statement is that people need to start taking responsibility for their own actions/problems. For instance, is it the banks fault if someone cant pay their loan? Or should we blame the bank executives? I know a guy I work with who constantly complains about money. He complains about how hard it is to save any money or to buy his kids clothes. Then he buys PS3 and an LCD tv. Who's fault is it that he cant save money?


    Bottom line, what Cain was saying is that if I cant manage money and I go broke, it's no ones fault but my own.


    Most of the world's living on credit anyways.

    The bankers won't ever go broke as they award themselves such BIG Bonuses... now that is taking responsibility for only themselves.

    Maybe I'm not as clued up politically like u guys... but I do know that the system is all wrong. Poverty stricken families work 4 National minimum wage or lower just to put food on the table v's The fat cats who have their own expense accounts to dine on the best food & drink everyday.

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer it's always been the same...
    I don't have the solution but I know the system needs to change.

    Class is bullshit.
    We are all human beings at the end of the day...
    ... is it a childs fault if they are born into poverty and spend the rest of their life striving to make ends meet just to eat.


  8. Exactly. Situation is catastrophic. Greece, Italy, USA, Portugal, Spain, Ireland...al of them on the edge of bankrupcy. It's obvious that system doesn't work.

    And what do we do? We keep on giving it medications instead of doing a surgery.

    Someone said that no one knows why are people on Wall Street (and now all over the world) protesting. They're protesting against this sick neoliberalism, against dictatorship of banks and corporations.

  9. Originally posted by Yogi[..]

    Exactly. Situation is catastrophic. Greece, Italy, USA, Portugal, Spain, Ireland...al of them on the edge of bankrupcy. It's obvious that system doesn't work.

    And what do we do? We keep on giving it medications instead of doing a surgery.

    Someone said that no one knows why are people on Wall Street (and now all over the world) protesting. They're protesting against this sick neoliberalism, against dictatorship of banks and corporations.




    I can name as many countries where it does work. People are just too 'stupid' (big mortgages, huge loans, 3 maxed out creditcards) sometimes. And the non-'stupid' will always suffer, since humans are social creatures (nothing wrong with that we should be there for others, not unlimited though).

    There is no system that can protect people from themselves.
  10. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    I can name as many countries where it does work. People are just too 'stupid' (big mortgages, huge loans, 3 maxed out creditcards) sometimes. And the non-'stupid' will always suffer, since humans are social creatures (nothing wrong with that we should be there for others, not unlimited though).

    There is no system that can protect people from themselves.


    Yeah, but it's the system that alows mortgages, loans and such stuff. And in the end it's the system that gains profit if someone can't return their loan.

    Take for example 2008 recesion in USA. Imagine that you already paid 50% of your mortgage, but you lose your job and therefore you can't pay any more for it. Then bank takes the house from you (without returning what you already paid!). So, banks did make huge profit in 2008. And then USA government gave them 750 billion $.

    And you just think to yourself: ok, what the fuck just happened? Did they just took my house away and made huge profit on it and then government gave them award for it?!


  11. But the system will have to do it. Yeah, every crisis is people's fault, but people will always do as much as system allows them.
  12. People took too much risk when taking mortgages. They took a mortgage higher than the worth of the house. That is the problem. If that werent the case they could've sold their house to pay off the mortgage.
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