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  1. I see your point Aaron, about this and about "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"...

    But what about a law abiding citizen with a legally purchased gun to defend him/herself that in a moment of anger, anxiety or desperation decides to use the gun on an innocent person? Or on a not so innocent person but as revenge and not in self defense?

    If you make guns illegal, first of all, it will be tougher for the criminals to get guns too. Sure, they'll find a way to get it, but it's not as easy as before. Secondly, it will be just outlaws and law officers that have guns and not some normal person who might make an emotional decision leading to someone's death.
  2. Originally posted by Ali709:[..]

    I see your point Aaron, about this and about "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"...

    But what about a law abiding citizen with a legally purchased gun to defend him/herself that in a moment of anger, anxiety or desperation decides to use the gun on an innocent person? Or on a not so innocent person but as revenge and not in self defense?

    If you make guns illegal, first of all, it will be tougher for the criminals to get guns too. Sure, they'll find a way to get it, but it's not as easy as before. Secondly, it will be just outlaws and law officers that have guns and not some normal person who might make an emotional decision leading to someone's death.

    Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6,

    And Chicago is all the proof you need that gun control does not work in America.
  3. Originally posted by wtshnnfb01:[..]

    Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6,

    And Chicago is all the proof you need that gun control does not work in America.

    About the 12 and 6 thing...this makes sense as some individual's view, but if this were a whole society's opinion, nobody would survive.
    And what I said was not about situations when you're defending yourself. The gun thing makes sense while it's correctly used in defense situations. I was talking about impulse attack situations that might happen to any law abiding citizen. Revenge is just one of those situations. You or a loved one might have been the victim of a crime, and instead of letting the "12" judge the criminal for you, you have an impulse to shoot the guy on sight.
    People who are not properly trained emotionally - and this means all civilians - might not handle such situations properly.
  4. Americans have their views, we have our views. We will never agree, so why bother discussing this topic AGAIN
  5. Originally posted by Risto:Americans have their views, we have our views. We will never agree, so why bother discussing this topic AGAIN

    Now that's a good point
  6. In the Empire State shooting the NYPD wasn't able to use their guns properly and injured seven people. Imagine if they'd have been civilians with no training.
  7. NYPD is rather poorly trained. Some of the bigger citys spend too much in the classroom on proper use of force. I chatted with a Chicago cop once, and he said after the academy, he found a privately ran weapons and tactics school, and that it was much more practical than the academy.
  8. Not really a political post...but I LOVE how I get to hear a bunch of my favorite songs at Obama's event
  9. I find the DNCs "We all belong to the gov" message disgusting.
  10. Didn't hear them say that.

  11. Cmon its not a literal interpretation- but Aaron does have a point, the entire "We are all in this together" statement can be taken a few different ways that makes the statement not really an effective party/platform label.

    Democrat here, and I even think the party needs some work. Clinton's speech was pretty much the shit though. I seriously don't know how that can be argued.
  12. Well, it could probably be argued that you are in it together if you live in the same country and want to do something with the country.

    I think "we're all in this together" and "we all belong to the government" are very different statements.
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